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Gengari
OKay, here's the deal: I claim I'm a libertarian. My proof is my various beliefs in libertarianism: just keep in mind these aren't absolutes, my belief system is far more developed and complicated than most peoples, and is certainly not black and white.

Pro civil rights
Pro choice
Lower taxes
Less pork in the budget
Minimal interferance in private lives

Amongst other libertarian ideals.

Now, I'd like you to show how exactly I'm NOT a libertarian, given that I believe in nearly every libertarian ideal.
Harry Kewell
No one cares.
Gengari
Yeah, but I'm bored.

And since when did you stop ignoring me?
Harry Kewell
Can't see, don't care. Sucks to be you, owned by Cerian.
Molimo
QUOTE(Gengari @ Nov 24 2004, 04:21 AM)
Pro civil rights
Pro choice
Less pork in the budget



Just thought I'd point out that these are not solely libertarian ideals. It's easily possible to be a pro-choice, pro-civil-rights, anti-pork authoritarian.
Gengari
Perhaps, but that's because you would not be entirely authoritarian if you held said views. If you held views such as that, you would be at best a moderate authoritarian. These are just examples after all.


However, he claims I am not a libertarian... which I most certainly am.


Tard: Then stop spamming the thread.
Telum
QUOTE(Molimo @ Nov 24 2004, 10:26 AM)
Just thought I'd point out that these are not solely libertarian ideals. It's easily possible to be a pro-choice, pro-civil-rights, anti-pork authoritarian.




How can a authoritarian be pro-civil rights?
Gengari
Telum: Because they don't understand what it means to be an authoritarian/are trolls/are spammers.
Stimulant
Listen, you assholes have already raped the word Liberal of all its intellectual connotations. Why don't you continue to shit on it rather then spread it again to the belieft structure of liberty inclined people?
Gengari
You're not a liberty inclined person, so why would you care?
Stimulant
blah blah blah.

You seek the intellectual intergrity of libertarianism, much like your predecessors seeked the intellectual intergrity of liberalism. Pretty soon, we will have to move onto a new term to keep from you muddieing the waters.

Whats wrong with liberalism? Besides of course, by now most people know what it actually means.
Gengari
Oh wow, that's nice.

I don't seek the "intellectual integrity" of anything, because quote frankly, my own oppinions have more of it than yours will ever have.
Stimulant
right... Why then have the looters traditionally (and you are expanding the tradition of) trying to seize the vocabulary of the minarchists? Besides, of course, to screen the fact that the are offering freedom through slavery.
Gengari
QUOTE(nature of reality @ Dec 7 2004, 08:03 AM)
right... Why then have the looters traditionally (and you are expanding the tradition of) trying to seize the vocabulary of the minarchists? Besides, of course, to screen the fact that the are offering freedom through slavery.

I'm not trying to seize the vocabulary of anyone. My vocabulary is large enough, thank you. I don't honestly care much what the "looters", as you call them, do about their own vocabulary.

And you might want to explain how they "offer freedom through slavery", before you start to look like KFS-lite with your logical fallacies.
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