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Ryan_Liam
post Feb 5 2006, 10:56 PM
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Bringing out all you conspiracy theorists to tell me JFK wasn't killed by a lone gunman.

I will gladly beat them down.
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The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A
post Feb 5 2006, 11:48 PM
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I don't wish to debate you, but rather I just want to leave one comment. The House Select Committee on Assassinations has already concluded that John Kennedy's assassination was likely the result of more than one gunman. Furthermore, "conspiracy theorists" is a title that should be granted solely to people who read infowars.com and the other Alex Jones sites. Using that term puts those actual nut jobs in line with people that have legitimate questions.
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post Feb 6 2006, 12:31 AM
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post Feb 6 2006, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A @ Feb 5 2006, 11:48 PM)
I don't wish to debate you, but rather I just want to leave one comment. The House Select Committee on Assassinations has already concluded that John Kennedy's assassination was likely the result of more than one gunman. Furthermore, "conspiracy theorists" is a title that should be granted solely to people who read infowars.com and the other Alex Jones sites. Using that term puts those actual nut jobs in line with people that have legitimate questions.
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Declaring there could be more than one gunman due to the restrictions of the technology to properly analyse and account the information relating to the assasination, doesn't mean that they was more than one gunman.

Here are the main reasons as to why I would assume and conclude it was the work of one gunman

Lee Harvey Oswald background fits perfectly to the type of character who would do this kind of thing for attention.

The seats between the Senator and the President were level, not uneven, which many people assume leads to the fact there was more than one gunman.

Lee Harvey Oswald was an excellent marksman from the Marine Corps, the 3 shots were made within a 9 second time frame, not a 3 second one as described in the film JFK.

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post Feb 6 2006, 01:20 AM
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Lee Harvey Oswald was not an "expert marksmen". Anyone can tell you that.
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post Feb 6 2006, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A @ Feb 6 2006, 01:20 AM)
Lee Harvey Oswald was not an "expert marksmen". Anyone can tell you that.
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Just after turning seventeen, Oswald enlists in the Marines. It is the height of the Cold War. Oswald receives extensive training in marksmanship. Fellow Marines remember him as a poor shot, but the record indicates otherwise, and the sergeant in charge of his training called Oswald "a slightly better than average shot for a Marine, excellent by civilian standards."

Oswald shoots a 212 on the rifle range, earning a "sharpshooter" qualification.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/cron/

During his Marine Corps service in December 1956 Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle). Although in May 1959 he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification) military experts examining his records characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males his age, "an excellent shot." [31]

Skeptics have argued that expert marksmen could not duplicate Oswald's alleged feat in their first try during reenactments by the Warren Commission (1964) and CBS (1967). In those tests the marksmen were attempting to hit the target three times within 4.5 seconds; however, the use of this time span has been heavily disputed and modern analysis of a digitally enhanced Zapruder film has suggested the first and final shots may have come as much as 8.4 seconds apart. Moreover, many of CBS's 11 volunteer marksmen, who (unlike Oswald) had no prior experience with a Mannlicher-Carcano, were able to hit the test target three times in well under the time allotted.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Os...9s_marksmanship
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post Feb 6 2006, 10:25 AM
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Have a real source for that?
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post Feb 6 2006, 05:18 PM
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That is a real source.
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post Feb 6 2006, 05:20 PM
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See my sig. ;)
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post Feb 6 2006, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Benevolent @ Feb 6 2006, 05:20 PM)
See my sig. ;)
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There's some links at the bottom of the page. If that's not sufficient, I got another link for the case I was making.

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post Feb 6 2006, 07:21 PM
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Does anyone else think it is funny that Ryan just owned Y2A using wikipedia and a Frontline website?
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:37 PM
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We all know wikipedia isn't a real site.
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post Feb 7 2006, 03:56 PM
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We all know wikipedia isn't a real site.


wow - you mean its actually a blank screen and we project onto it an irreal image of a site called wikipedia?

thats pretty powerful mojo :blink:
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post Feb 7 2006, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(Sephiroth @ Feb 7 2006, 01:37 PM)
We all know wikipedia isn't a real site.
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but it contains meaningful cites and links.
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Liam @ Feb 7 2006, 12:24 PM)
but it contains meaningful cites and links.
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Yes, keep telling yourself that. :color:
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:07 AM
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QUOTE(Sephiroth @ Feb 8 2006, 03:11 AM)
Yes, keep telling yourself that. :color:
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It does. All you need to do is scroll down. Duh.
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post Feb 8 2006, 07:09 AM
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Now, you should address the angle of the bullet. I don't know much about the subject, so TEACH ME I AM YOUR STUENDT
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QUOTE(Ryan_Liam @ Feb 8 2006, 01:07 AM)
It does. All you need to do is scroll down. Duh.
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Yes, I never thought of that, thanks.
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:01 PM
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what strange and arcane lore is this? ahh, i know of you evil spirits of old, the ancient books warn us of your machinations to steal our immortal souls!!!


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post Feb 8 2006, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(gnuneo @ Feb 8 2006, 10:01 AM)
what strange and arcane lore is this? ahh, i know of you evil spirits of old, the ancient books warn us of your machinations to steal our immortal souls!!!
BEGONE FOUL CREATURE, AND TEMPT US NO MORE WITH YOUR STRANGE WORDS AND WILES!!!!
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Well then, if he wants to be taken seriously, he should rely on those instead of wikitrash.
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post Feb 8 2006, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Benevolent @ Feb 8 2006, 03:38 PM)
Well then, if he wants to be taken seriously, he should rely on those instead of wikitrash.
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But I didn't just use that link from Wikipedia. But you knew that already.
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post Feb 8 2006, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(libvertaruan @ Feb 8 2006, 07:09 AM)
Now, you should address the angle of the bullet.  I don't know much about the subject, so TEACH ME I AM YOUR STUENDT
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Both the senator and the President were sitting level when the bullets shot them both.

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post Feb 8 2006, 04:52 PM
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Now address the fact that the angle of the bullets was on a downward trajectory.
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post Feb 8 2006, 07:09 PM
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Now address the fact that the angle of the bullets was on a downward trajectory


I'm not good on this, so just clear it up by what you mean. Thanks.
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post Feb 14 2006, 03:58 AM
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Oswald very well could have been involved, but I am inclined to think he didn't act alone.

I don't think it was some epic inside job government conspiracy, but I think there WAS a conspiracy of some form - probably from some fringe small group of people. Probably a guy with the help of a buddy or two (just like the OKC bombing was done).
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post Feb 15 2006, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan_Liam @ Feb 9 2006, 08:09 AM)
I'm not good on this, so just clear it up by what you mean. Thanks.
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I beleive he meant that the bullets were of different trajectories, with one of them ending up in JFK's lap and another almost horizontal (the one that struck him in the head, I believe). This is an impossible feat from a stationary shooter.

*shrugs* I flipped through most of that documentary.
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post Feb 27 2006, 02:57 PM
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I've never really looked into this, but just as an observation, shouldn't it be conclusively proveable whether there was more than one guy involved (or rather, more than one person shooting guns) by examining the bullets?

Now, this is taken straight out of TV forensics and whatnot (and we all know TV is 100% true!) but I'm pretty sure its true that every gun when fired, will leave a unique mark on the bullet - akin to a fingerprint for guns. Assuming this is true, don't they merely have to examine the bullets to determine if more than one gun (and therefore gunman) was involved?
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