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I'd like to know what the Right thinks about the abortion of early fetii (plural of fetus?) compared to refusing to conceive. Both have the exact same result-in either regard, the concious being that could have been was not.

So whats the moral difference in ending its life in the womb as opposed to not having it in the first place?

I have my own ideas, but none of them hold up too well. Most are based on an argument of principle, which does not work well in this case because principle can be very hard to defend when no concious being is invovled (granted, I believe in enviromentalist principles, but I find them fairly hard to defend.)
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necrolyte   Abortion vs non-conception   Nov 17 2005, 11:26 AM
gnuneo   so if i kill you, i can claim its the same as your...   Nov 17 2005, 12:03 PM
libvertaruan   Contraception doesn't involve crushing a fetus...   Nov 17 2005, 03:07 PM
necrolyte   We're not nessicarily talking about fetuses ...   Nov 17 2005, 05:05 PM
JLord   So then it's just the uglyness of abortions yo...   Nov 17 2005, 03:34 PM
libvertaruan   That's just one aspect of it. There's als...   Nov 17 2005, 03:38 PM
MindsWideOpen   So let's say then taking a "day-after...   Nov 17 2005, 04:19 PM
Wolfenstein   I for one would like to ban contraception, while m...   Nov 17 2005, 04:53 PM
JLord   Or just make abortion illegal, but make killing ba...   Nov 17 2005, 04:59 PM
gnuneo   ahh f'christs's sakes, its a far far bette...   Nov 17 2005, 05:17 PM
Dragonspirit   That's where the flaw comes in. A human lif...   Nov 17 2005, 07:48 PM
marleyfrost   IUDs and many forms of birth control pills ...   Nov 17 2005, 08:54 PM
MindsWideOpen   In both a human lifeform was lost, assuming that ...   Nov 17 2005, 09:21 PM
necrolyte   In both cases the human conciousness is not comi...   Nov 18 2005, 12:04 AM
gnuneo   how exactly do you know that a fetus is not cons...   Nov 18 2005, 12:23 AM
JLord   If you think that a human life exists at the point...   Nov 18 2005, 12:58 AM
necrolyte   Its not about when life begins. Life is meaning...   Nov 18 2005, 01:51 AM
JLord   What?   Nov 18 2005, 03:33 AM
gnuneo   ROFL - necro, youre tying yourself up in knots on ...   Nov 18 2005, 01:36 PM
Dakyron   Prevention versus destruction. Preventing the cre...   Nov 18 2005, 07:35 PM
marleyfrost   What about contraception that works by not lett...   Nov 18 2005, 09:04 PM
bigboy   You've just stated an unproven (and probably u...   Nov 18 2005, 07:54 PM
bigboy   An excellent case. I assume you also support pass...   Nov 18 2005, 07:57 PM
Dragonspirit   You can't be killed before you are created. ...   Nov 18 2005, 07:59 PM
MindsWideOpen   Let us use a thought example to ponder this. Let...   Nov 18 2005, 11:32 PM
Dakyron   Irrelevant. Killing someone and letting them a...   Nov 18 2005, 08:22 PM
gnuneo   whilst necro has done a good job of discrediting t...   Nov 18 2005, 08:31 PM
JLord   There are penty of possible ways that war can ha...   Nov 18 2005, 08:37 PM
gnuneo   BS. "war" is a organised massacre - *...   Nov 18 2005, 08:49 PM
bigboy   Not irrelevent. You made a case about how directl...   Nov 18 2005, 10:06 PM
Dakyron   No. It does not apply for several reasons. 1) ...   Nov 18 2005, 10:48 PM
gnuneo   LOL nice one MWO, but that can't wash. the mo...   Nov 21 2005, 10:32 AM
gnuneo   re above: obviously i am only referring to the pos...   Nov 21 2005, 10:35 AM
Dragonspirit   Do you realize how far this has went out there is ...   Nov 21 2005, 07:16 PM
necrolyte   Nevertheless, it reminds us of a critical conjec...   Nov 22 2005, 12:26 AM
JLord   I don't think this is the reasoning they use...   Nov 22 2005, 12:55 AM
Dragonspirit   Necrolyte: Very well. By that logic, if I rape a...   Nov 22 2005, 01:49 AM
necrolyte   When judging a moral act, you always need to judge...   Nov 22 2005, 01:56 AM
Dragonspirit   End results, right? You want it only for your sce...   Nov 22 2005, 01:58 AM
necrolyte   You do not end the conciousness. The existence o...   Nov 22 2005, 02:02 AM
Dragonspirit   Human cells? No. An independent human life. It i...   Nov 22 2005, 02:28 AM
necrolyte   Its not an independent human life until the firs...   Nov 22 2005, 02:34 AM
libvertaruan   You've been lied to.   Nov 22 2005, 07:19 AM
Dragonspirit   Doesn't matter, it has intrinsic human value a...   Nov 22 2005, 05:11 AM
JLord   That would only be the case if you accept that ...   Nov 22 2005, 04:13 PM
gnuneo   now THIS is an interesting line of thought... ...   Nov 22 2005, 02:27 PM

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