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post Sep 30 2005, 07:45 PM
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post Sep 30 2005, 07:59 PM
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Elections haven't come up yet. The last round that was earlier this year I missed. Had to decide wether to get a new job or run for council. and well bills needed to get paid. I have built quite a bit of support though. I have no doubt I will win the at large seat. Though none of my supporters have joined PNAP their votes will help show we are for real.
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post Sep 30 2005, 08:28 PM
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post Oct 1 2005, 04:07 PM
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How does it make you feel when, due to your conservative views, you are considered a race traitor and an Uncle Tom?

Contrast this with when you hear a degenerate socialist like Bill Clinton referred to as "the first black President" by the 'not liberal' media?
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How does it feel when you get leading questions? Does it make you very very upset, possibly even angry?
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post Oct 1 2005, 08:51 PM
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How does it feel to have similair political views to hacks like DS (lovable hacks, but hacks evertheless)
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post Oct 1 2005, 09:18 PM
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How does it make you feel when, due to your conservative views, you are considered a race traitor and an Uncle Tom?


I view them as "traitors" actually. They want to keep blacks in poverty, part of a welfare state to buy votes and make themselves feel more important.

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Contrast this with when you hear a degenerate socialist like Bill Clinton referred to as "the first black President" by the 'not liberal' media?


Thats the stupidist thing I've ever heard.

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How does it feel when you get leading questions? Does it make you very very upset, possibly even angry?


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The welfare debate is more complex than "buying votes" and "keeping people down".
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:14 PM
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post Oct 1 2005, 11:18 PM
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The real idea is not to give money out willy nilly for people to become dependant, but to offer free education, financial aid to single parent, and health care.

Also, pulling the rug out from under a current welfare program is worse than maintaining a welfare program.
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post Oct 2 2005, 06:35 PM
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We need a complete rehaul of the welfare system. It's in complete shambles. I dont' even mind pumping more money into it if it is used for the right reasons and given to deserving people, not Red Diaper Doper Babies! Not to single mothers popping out babies like a sweat shop pops out Nikes. Not drug addicts who are just going to sell their stamps or card for cash to buy drugs. And not perfectly able people who refuse to work becasue they'd rather stay at home watching rap videos, sitting in their trailors, or watching opera.
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You gotta give it to single mothers and fathers so they can stay at home and take care of their children.
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post Oct 2 2005, 06:53 PM
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YOu can offer child care so they can go and work like the rest of us.
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post Oct 3 2005, 05:58 AM
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Err, you need a parent at home somewhat often to raise the children. One of the problems keeping the so called "black inner city" down is that single parents work too far from home to monitor their kids.
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One of the problems keeping the so called "black inner city" down is that single parents work too far from home to monitor their kids


I'd say you analyzed a bit too much on a statement that suggests the answer already. The problem isn't with the management of single parent homes in the inner city, it is with the astounding prevailence of such homes.
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Well its a human nature issue-where there is poverty and social decay, you will always get single mothers. Its not the choice of the mothers to be a single mom, its often the men in the relationship. Likewise with single fathers. Its an unfortunate fact but many do not chose their lovers out of suitability for parenthood, and parenthood is the natural result of sexual relationships.

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post Oct 3 2005, 09:47 AM
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I got several questions:

1.) When you say that liberals have the worst interests of black people, why do black poverty increase under Republican administration while decreasing under Democratic administrations?

2.) Why do you focus solely on welfare when it takes up, at most, only 2 percent of the budget at its height? Aren't there other programs that actually wastes hundreds of billions of dollars you can go after? Why do you take the view of white conservatives when you see welfare only through the lenses of black people?

3.) How do you feel about the recent airing of racial dirty laundry during the wake of Katrina when you have prominent republicans like Hastert wishing to bulldoze the black parts of New Orleans, Barbara Bush saying the black evacuees are better off at the Astrodome, and the Republican congressman declaring triumphantly that Katrina washed out the public housing where he and his kind has failed?

4.) Lastly, name any one of your policy that you support that has actually physically helped any black person that needed the help in the first place.
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1.) When you say that liberals have the worst interests of black people, why do black poverty increase under Republican administration while decreasing under Democratic administrations?


Can you support this with some statistics?

And I say democrats have the worst interest in blacks because they push the welfar state. Not hard work and determination. Not you can proper if you work hard and put your mind to it. No it's you are being surpressed. The white man is keeping you down, and the only thing you can do is turn to crime to support yourself and wait for goverment handouts.


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2.) Why do you focus solely on welfare when it takes up, at most, only 2 percent of the budget at its height? Aren't there other programs that actually wastes hundreds of billions of dollars you can go after? Why do you take the view of white conservatives when you see welfare only through the lenses of black people?


Never said there werent' other programs to be cut or restructured. I was asked a question and answered it.

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3.) How do you feel about the recent airing of racial dirty laundry during the wake of Katrina when you have prominent republicans like Hastert wishing to bulldoze the black parts of New Orleans, Barbara Bush saying the black evacuees are better off at the Astrodome, and the Republican congressman declaring triumphantly that Katrina washed out the public housing where he and his kind has failed?


Werent' the "black" parts of town completly underwater? and in need of serious repair? And Mrs. Bushes statement was that they were better off in the astrodome than in the cespool of new orleans. Can you show me the latter quote, in it's intirety.

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4.) Lastly, name any one of your policy that you support that has actually physically helped any black person that needed the help in the first place.


Thats your problem, you feel it's the goverments job to "help blacks" blacks should be helping blacks (actually they need to drop the hole division thing, and have it americans helping americans). We need to help ourselves not the goverment bailing us out. It's a cultural issue and hip hop and rap culture is killing us.

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post Oct 3 2005, 07:29 PM
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IMO welfare cannot maintain an enjoyable state of living, you have an incentive to get a job if you want a nice car, television and the internet.

That bitch Barbara Bush was basically saying that the blacks of NO were lucky that the hurricane happened because government handouts were better than living in New Orleans. Which is an obscenely offensive comment, as I dont think anyone who loses their home, family members, their whole community and everything they would find government handouts in an astrodome as appropriate compensation.
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post Oct 4 2005, 02:28 AM
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QUOTE(RightWing @ Oct 3 2005, 07:02 PM)
Can you support this with some statistics?


These statistics aren't all that hard to get. And it's the same with jobless rates too.

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And I say democrats have the worst interest in blacks because they push the welfar state.  Not hard work and determination.  Not you can proper if you work hard and put your mind to it.  No it's you are being surpressed.  The white man is keeping you down, and the only thing you can do is turn to crime to support yourself and wait for goverment handouts.


Gee, if your brand of conservative ideology can be summed up as "you negroes are lazy" is it a wonder why we don't give you sellouts and your white masters the time of day?

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Never said there werent' other programs to be cut or restructured.  I was asked a question and answered it.


Nope you were the one who brought up the welfare issue in the first place, as if blacks could only be defined through that term.

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Werent' the "black" parts of town completly underwater? and in need of serious repair?  And Mrs. Bushes statement was that they were better off in the astrodome than in the cespool of new orleans.  Can you show me the latter quote, in it's intirety.


You can think that I'm dumb, just don't talk to me like I'm dumb. Even your black Republican brothers know EXACTLY what Barbara Bush said when she said that. Since you are a fellow negro so I can assume you are too lazy to click on the link, let me quote Bob George in entirety:

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Then, former First Lady Barbara Bush uttered words in a radio interview which will unfortunately haunt her remaining years: "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them." Those that heard the contents state that she notably "chuckled" during the last phrase.

Now, for some, Katrina may present new opportunity. But if poor children lost their parents and were adopted by a wealthy couple, would one chuckle that things were "working well for them"?


The latter quote is also in that blog post if you feel up to some light reading.

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Thats your problem, you feel it's the goverments job to "help blacks"  blacks should be helping blacks (actually they need to drop the hole division thing, and have it americans helping americans).  We need to help ourselves not the goverment bailing us out.  It's  a cultural issue and hip hop and rap culture is killing us.
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Yep, when it's the government helping white people, like the government contracts to help rebuild New Orleans which stripped away provisions to guarantee minority employment, or when the government lavishes tax breaks, no-bid contracts or corporate bailouts to these mostly white companies you seem to have no goddamn problem. But when black entrepreneurs make money selling a product that is obviously popular but that you crybaby culture hawks deem offensive, then it's time for the slow-singing and chest beatings. That's right, when blacks make money, it's gotta be because they got a handout or engaging in some vice endangering the white kids who buy 66 percent of the rap albums anyways.

You sing an old tune, yet blacks keep tuning you people out. You need to ask yourself if what you are doing is out of genuine concern for the black community or just another form of self-righteousness endemic in your political wing.
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Just so you know how supportive of blacks your conservative friends are, let's see your answer to this:


Minority Firms Getting Few Katrina Pacts
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WASHINGTON (AP) -

Minority-owned businesses say they're paying the price for the decision by Congress and the Bush administration to waive certain rules for Hurricane Katrina recovery contracts.

About 1.5 percent of the $1.6 billion awarded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency has gone to minority businesses, less than a third of the 5 percent normally required.

On Tuesday, Sen. Olympia J. Snowe, R-Maine, and Rep. Donald A. Manzullo, R-Ill., asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate whether small and minority-owned businesses have been given a fair opportunity to compete for Katrina contracts.

Andrew Jenkins doesn't think so.

Once Katrina's destructive waters receded, he began making calls in hopes of a winning a government contract for his Mississippi construction company.

Jenkins, who is black, says he watched in frustration as the contracts went to others, many of them larger, white-owned companies with political ties to Washington.

"That just doesn't smell right," said Jenkins, president of AJA Management and Technical Services Inc. of Jackson, Miss., noting the region has a higher percentage of blacks and minority-owned businesses that other areas of the country.

To speed aid, many requirements normally attached to government contracting were waived by Congress and the administration. The result has been far more no-bid contracts going to businesses that have an existing relationship with the government.

There also was an easing of affirmative action rules for contractors and a suspension of a "prevailing wage" law that black lawmakers and business people believe will hurt the disproportionately large number of black hourly workers in the region.

"It sends a bad message," said Harry Alford, president of the National Black Chamber of Commerce. "What they're basically saying to the minority in New Orleans is, 'We'll make it harder for you to find a job. And if you do, we'll make sure you get paid less.'"

The Department of Homeland Security, whose FEMA division handles most of the contracts, said it is committed to hiring smaller, disadvantaged firms. But many of the no-bid awards were given out to known players who could quickly provide help in an emergency situation, spokesman Larry Orluskie said.

"It was about saving lives, protecting property, and going to who you go to, to get what you need," he said.

The Labor Department also has said its decision to temporarily suspend affirmative action rules for first-time government contractors doing Katrina work was motivated by a need to reduce paperwork to speed emergency aid.

The Army Corps of Engineers has a better record on minority contracts, with roughly 16 percent of the $637 million in Katrina contracts going to minority-owned companies, according to agency records.

Businesses with more than 50 employees typically must have a written affirmative action plan if they are awarded contracts of more than $50,000. But the Bush administration removed that requirement for three months, saying basic anti-discrimination laws would provide adequate protection.

At a recent meeting in Mississippi for minority businesspeople with federal contracting officials, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said many of the 100 owners walked out in anger when told their best chance of getting work was to seek smaller subcontracts from the larger companies.

The larger companies include Kellogg, Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton Co., which Vice President Dick Cheney headed from 1995 to 2000; and AshBritt Inc., a Florida company with ties to Mississippi's governor, Haley Barbour, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee.

"The president has talked about small businesses being the engine of our economy, but when the time for sound bites is over his administration still uses the same backroom deals to take care of their friends," said Thompson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

The situation has exacerbated racial sensitivities that already were heightened by the slow initial federal response to the New Orleans flood. Many poor black residents didn't get help for days.

President Bush has met privately with NAACP President Bruce Gordon to discuss the racial component of the disaster. And Alford said he will get a meeting with Bush sometime soon to talk about improving opportunities for minority contractors.

With billions of dollars of new contracts still yet to be awarded, minority leaders say they remain hopeful the Bush administration will begin to provide the same types of opportunities given to large-scale contractors.

In the meantime, Willie Nelson of 33-year-old Nelson Plumbing Inc., continues to wait. He says white-owned firms scurry with work in Mississippi, while his Jackson business sits idle.

"The majority firms are all over the place," Nelson said. "We just want an equal opportunity. But it's been very difficult. They seem to be more interested in taking care of their own while we try to just get a foot in the door."
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Yeah, we're not going to stop calling you and your kind "sellouts" just because you bitch about being called sellouts. You're lucky I don't call you worse.
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hahaha!

let me get this straight.

A measure that temporarily stopped blatant, government sanctioned discrimination (yes the 5% requirement is discrimination, discrimination does not only happen to statistical minorities) in the interests of not delaying Hurricane aid is something you attribute to the diabolical nature of conservatives?

jcrow. Please tell me that you didnt read that article before you posted it. Please restore my faith in humankind.
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hahaha!

let me get this straight.

A measure that temporarily stopped blatant, government sanctioned discrimination (yes the 5% requirement is discrimination, discrimination does not only happen to statistical minorities) in the interests of not delaying Hurricane aid is something you attribute to the diabolical nature of conservatives?

jcrow. Please tell me that you didnt read that article before you posted it. Please restore my faith in humankind.
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So instead we should no-bid to a company (Haliburton) that is known to have abused their most recent no-bid contracts in Iraq? It's better to hire known crooks than to spread the contracts out to smaller companies?
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QUOTE(Sir Buckethead @ Oct 4 2005, 08:57 PM)
hahaha!

let me get this straight.

A measure that temporarily stopped blatant, government sanctioned discrimination (yes the 5% requirement is discrimination, discrimination does not only happen to statistical minorities) in the interests of not delaying Hurricane aid is something you attribute to the diabolical nature of conservatives?

jcrow. Please tell me that you didnt read that article before you posted it. Please restore my faith in humankind.
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Yes, I've read it. Have you read the negative impact it has had on the inclusion of minority-owned contractors in rebuilding their own city?

One. Point. Five. Percent. I like to see anyone defend that.
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[QUOTE]Gee, if your brand of conservative ideology can be summed up as "you negroes are lazy" is it a wonder why we don't give you sellouts and your white masters the time of day?[QUOTE]

Never said they were lazy. I said "Black Leaders" with the exception of a hand full, back the democratic party, preach nothing but hate and dry to drill into the heads of there listeners that Whites owe them the world, and the goverment should support them. If thats the America you want to live in I hope you leave. And when men like Bill Cosby bring this up the black community went into an uproar, heaven forbid they take responsibility from themselves and their children!


[/QUOTE]Nope you were the one who brought up the welfare issue in the first place, as if blacks could only be defined through that term.
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I think that anyone who pushes for a welfare state, and who works to keep blacks in it is a traitor.

[/QUOTE]You can think that I'm dumb, just don't talk to me like I'm dumb. Even your black Republican brothers know EXACTLY what Barbara Bush said when she said that. Since you are a fellow negro so I can assume you are too lazy to click on the link, let me quote Bob George in entirety:
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I didn't hear this when she said it, which is why I asked. And I'm not a negro. I'm an American.

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Yep, when it's the government helping white people, like the government contracts to help rebuild New Orleans which stripped away provisions to guarantee minority employment, or when the government lavishes tax breaks, no-bid contracts or corporate bailouts to these mostly white companies you seem to have no goddamn problem. But when black entrepreneurs make money selling a product that is obviously popular but that you crybaby culture hawks deem offensive, then it's time for the slow-singing and chest beatings. That's right, when blacks make money, it's gotta be because they got a handout or engaging in some vice endangering the white kids who buy 66 percent of the rap albums anyways.

You sing an old tune, yet blacks keep tuning you people out. You need to ask yourself if what you are doing is out of genuine concern for the black community or just another form of self-righteousness endemic in your political wing.[QUOTE]

I guess you dont' read the rest of the forums or you dont' pay attention, but I'm not a supporter of Bush, and I think he's done many things that don't represent those who voted for him. No bid contracts is one of them, though actually taking bids could take months to go through, something else could have been done.

This shit they are selling to Amercia's youth is ruining our nation. But you refuse to see that! It's something that not only affects the black community but all communities. You dont' see that these fools are role models, that they are breeding a culture of hate! These "artist" degrade women not only in their videos but worst in their lyrics. Young men thing thats how you treat women now, you know the mothers of tomorrows youth!
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