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Harry Kewell
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Harry Kewell   Prove God does not exist   Jul 25 2005, 05:51 AM
Molimo   The default state for any concept is "not exi...   Jul 25 2005, 05:56 AM
Harry Kewell   Incorrect.   Jul 25 2005, 07:27 AM
Molimo   If you're going to debate or something, now ...   Jul 25 2005, 07:31 AM
libvertaruan   Go on?   Jul 25 2005, 07:30 AM
libvertaruan   If there no proof for or against the existence of ...   Jul 25 2005, 08:30 AM
zaragosa   Well, empirically, it does. You can't prove t...   Jul 25 2005, 10:57 AM
JLord   That is only true if there is some evidence in b...   Jul 25 2005, 05:00 PM
Llywelyn   Bigfoot I will assign a low probability to--I do...   Jul 25 2005, 06:51 PM
zaragosa   What about the invisible elephant in your room? M...   Jul 25 2005, 08:19 PM
Llywelyn   You can feel free to assert it, I do not activel...   Jul 26 2005, 01:47 AM
Molimo   In an alternate reality, they were right and neu...   Jul 26 2005, 04:09 AM
Llywelyn   Sure, but that is why it is illogical to activel...   Jul 26 2005, 04:53 AM
Molimo   What do you mean by "active disbelief?...   Jul 26 2005, 02:52 PM
zaragosa   Strong atheism. Weak atheism is the mere lack of ...   Jul 26 2005, 11:45 PM
Molimo   Ah, ok. I see we have to be careful how we word ...   Jul 26 2005, 11:57 PM
zaragosa   The difference isn't so hard to get. Plants a...   Jul 27 2005, 10:40 AM
Molimo   A more accurate statement would be that most peo...   Jul 27 2005, 04:57 PM
JLord   I'd say most would be strong atheists when i...   Jul 27 2005, 05:30 PM
libvertaruan   What are these signs that point to His (or reall...   Jul 28 2005, 09:00 AM
JLord   The fact that nobody has ever seen God God has ...   Jul 28 2005, 03:14 PM
Llywelyn   I have (or at least experienced a tangible equiv...   Jul 28 2005, 05:41 PM
libvertaruan   1. For one, it states very clearly in the Bible...   Jul 28 2005, 08:09 PM
Molimo   Didn't some scientists find that a certain p...   Jul 28 2005, 08:58 PM
JLord   Not really. Take a made up place like Atlantis....   Jul 28 2005, 09:55 PM
Llywelyn   Did neutrons exist in the 11th century? Yes. Was...   Jul 25 2005, 06:45 PM
Molimo   Therefore people in the 11th century didn't ...   Jul 25 2005, 07:36 PM
JLord   I'm sure there are people who think they have ...   Jul 25 2005, 07:42 PM
Telum   http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm   Jul 25 2005, 08:32 PM
Sephiroth   Answer me this: Are Christians and Pagans stubid ...   Jul 25 2005, 09:57 PM
Benevolent   For the purposes of this thread, I will be arguing...   Jul 26 2005, 01:18 PM
libvertaruan   Adam: Why do you say suffering is intrinsically ev...   Jul 27 2005, 01:25 AM
Molimo   It's hard to mark the point where I stopped ...   Jul 27 2005, 06:45 AM
Stimulant   Lib, did you bother reading the entire post?   Jul 27 2005, 02:28 AM
libvertaruan   I did, and I comprehended it. He talked about p...   Jul 27 2005, 09:15 AM
Benevolent   Lib - Hey, I'm just following Draper. I wonde...   Jul 27 2005, 11:34 AM
zaragosa   If something does not have defined characteristics...   Jul 27 2005, 07:04 PM
JLord   God has different defined characteristics to each ...   Jul 27 2005, 07:32 PM
Telum   You know, you can make most, if not all contradict...   Jul 28 2005, 07:29 PM
JLord   People have seen things that they attribute to God...   Jul 28 2005, 07:43 PM
libvertaruan   I believe it was instead found in genetics.   Jul 28 2005, 09:21 PM
libvertaruan   You have faith that other things and places and pe...   Jul 28 2005, 10:17 PM
Sephiroth   Probably an athiest.   Jul 29 2005, 12:26 AM
JLord   Yes, as I explained several times. A person...   Jul 29 2005, 02:44 AM
libvertaruan   A person you have faith in. OHH!   Jul 29 2005, 05:38 AM
JLord   That's pretty much the only way to describe...   Jul 29 2005, 03:21 PM
acow   I'd say, "can you show me it working or...   Jul 29 2005, 08:50 AM
acow   Ah, but someone else can at least tell me how to...   Jul 29 2005, 08:55 AM
Benevolent   That actually conceeds victory to the athiest, t...   Jul 29 2005, 03:22 PM
Telum   I concede then. My god is neither all powerful,...   Sep 20 2005, 02:48 PM
gnuneo   a truly amusing spectacle of the existence of god ...   Sep 20 2005, 07:45 AM
zaragosa   Except for that last bit, that was actually an in...   Sep 20 2005, 09:46 AM
gnuneo   The Buddhist Path... ...   Sep 20 2005, 10:42 AM
gnuneo   actually i was searching for some sufi poems i vag...   Sep 20 2005, 10:45 AM
zaragosa   Being a good person, or teaching others how to be ...   Sep 20 2005, 10:54 AM
gnuneo   exactly. we live in a value-filled world.   Sep 20 2005, 11:23 AM
Telum   Oh yes. *At the beginning of creation, God says ...   Sep 20 2005, 02:48 PM
Nalvaros   I could have sworn that not long ago, we concluded...   Sep 20 2005, 03:15 PM
Sephiroth   Yeah...   Sep 20 2005, 10:26 PM
gnuneo   i think this is one of those threads similar to th...   Sep 21 2005, 05:22 PM
mhallex   When you come down to it any sufficently advanc...   Oct 4 2005, 03:06 PM
Telum   Perhaps. And you are correct. Would there be a...   Oct 4 2005, 07:04 PM
JLord   Cause there's no point?   Oct 4 2005, 07:17 PM
Benevolent   There's as much point to it as worshipping t...   Oct 6 2005, 08:24 AM
JLord   That's true.   Oct 11 2005, 02:35 PM
Gengari   And has a severe case of ego. As for the origonal...   Oct 6 2005, 12:07 PM
Benevolent   There's also as much point to worshipping th...   Oct 13 2005, 01:44 PM
JLord   That's true as well... At least the part a...   Oct 13 2005, 02:25 PM
Benevolent   Faith in the laws of science is just another term ...   Oct 13 2005, 02:31 PM
JLord   Faith in that sense then would apply to every ex...   Oct 13 2005, 03:04 PM
Benevolent   Yes, science is your new religion - in the very re...   Oct 13 2005, 05:04 PM
JLord   True. But then I'd say that every person on e...   Oct 13 2005, 06:36 PM
zaragosa   If science be a religion, then it is a universal o...   Oct 13 2005, 09:11 PM
Benevolent   Assuming, of course, that science actually DOES re...   Oct 13 2005, 09:42 PM
JLord   I don't care if it reflcts truth as long it is...   Oct 13 2005, 09:48 PM
libvertaruan   So you don't mind going to hell just because s...   Oct 13 2005, 09:55 PM
JLord   I don't want to go to hell that's for sure...   Oct 13 2005, 10:57 PM
Benevolent   And equally so, if someone prefers a religious fra...   Oct 14 2005, 01:39 AM
JLord   If one is known to be 100% accurate in predictin...   Oct 14 2005, 05:47 AM
zaragosa   Science cares for correspondence with the manifest...   Oct 14 2005, 07:51 AM
Benevolent   Actually it's a tenant of science that it is...   Oct 14 2005, 09:00 AM
zaragosa   Put a cat in it. Or rather: can you predict what...   Oct 14 2005, 02:17 PM
JLord   I know it isn't actually 100% correct. I wa...   Oct 14 2005, 02:46 PM
Benevolent   Cat's aren't the imperceptible spirits i...   Oct 14 2005, 08:47 PM
zaragosa   You might, but you have no way of knowing what th...   Oct 16 2005, 03:41 PM
acow   Oh poppycock. By all means, we have no access i...   Oct 16 2005, 04:34 PM
Benevolent   Sure I can, with a significantly complex enough ...   Oct 16 2005, 04:41 PM
zaragosa   Yes, and when you use a framework that is as comp...   Oct 16 2005, 05:41 PM
acow   Absolutely, but again, we must make some basic a...   Oct 16 2005, 05:13 PM
Benevolent   Of course, I could easily use a more complex fra...   Oct 16 2005, 09:29 PM
zaragosa   Well, no, you can't. that was my point earlie...   Oct 17 2005, 08:32 AM
libvertaruan   Your framework doesn't explain how the mircrow...   Oct 17 2005, 12:25 AM
JLord   Why not. In the world of the ultimate skeptic i...   Oct 17 2005, 03:27 AM
Benevolent   Experimental dwellings. We know that different ...   Oct 17 2005, 08:16 AM
Benevolent   Only if I accept Occam's Razor. It may or ma...   Oct 17 2005, 08:54 AM
zaragosa   Well, and complexity theorists who know about the...   Oct 17 2005, 12:05 PM


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