I mean, why wouldn't you.

Don't you miss the days of Menem? I know I do.

Do you give a rats ass about the Falklands(or what ever you call 'em)?

This post has been edited by LordLeto: Jul 1 2005, 09:08 PM

That would be Malvines, Leto.

No!!!!

Why would you miss them? Did you lived here in the '90s??




I do, but lots of argentinian dont.

I spent some time there in the 90s, Zippo, and a good friend of mine was born and raised there. Her family seemed to be doing pretty damned good during the Menem years, and things certainly tanked under his successor.

Yes, but the stability of the '90 was ficticious (?). The foreing debt (?) in those years grew up to astronomical proportions. The local industry was erradicated. High rates of unemployment became normal. And not to mention the levels corruption and impunity (?) that were stablished.

All this just blew up in 2001 becouse it couldn't continue anymore, and also becuse of the lousy administration of Menem's successor.



Of course everybody is going to tell you we were better than now, but our current state is a direct consecuense of the neoliberal politics implemented by Menem.

Why do you dislike Kirchner? Be specific.

Also, what leaders in the Latin American region do you agree with?

This post has been edited by The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A: Jul 1 2005, 10:14 PM

Yes, Zippo, all that is smoke and mirrors for the real cause, Brazil out-competed Argentina in the markets and wiped out your economy. Menem was a bit of a clown but he picked good economists to manage the economy and things were quite good there in the 90s. There was nothing fictitious about it, Argentina was thriving in the 90s.

For starters, you may know that Kirchner was "put" in the presidency by Eduardo Duhalde, former president, mafia boss and cocaine dealer.


Kirchner is a complete demagogue (not a populist), all of his goverment acts are just shows for the media, but he hasn't really done anything to change the economic model.

-He keeps paying to the IMF and keeps implementing thier plans.
-Has has signed more decretos (?) than any other of his predesessors
-He criticiced tha former menemist adicted Supreme court, so he replaced some members and now is a K adicted supreme court.
-Also a large number of smaler things like secret laws, big salaries (sobresueldos), making a campaign for his wife in the coming elections, etc....


Not many, but i do sympathize whith chavez.




Our industry was wiped out because that was the intention of the economic model. There were absolutely no regulations at all regarding the imprtations of goods.

Good economist?? You mean Cavallo? Tel me how brillant can be a guy that reestatizated the foering debt of private enterprises!!
Also any economist could tell you that the convertivility plan (1 peso equal 1 dollar) was doomed to fail.

In the 90 the countrie was sold one bit at a time, and not even to best bidder.

I repeat, we were better of course, but at what cost. What we are doing know is paying for those reckless years.

What's up with you and the Chileans?

Yes, that's called "free trade." Cheaper consumer products were able to flow into the markets and out-competed more expensive domestically produced products. The other alternative is protectionism, which would have hurt Argentina's exporting industries.



I'll tell you anything you want to know as soon as you translate that post from gibberish to English.



Funny, because I have heard several economists speak out in favor of tied currencies, particularly when dealing with a national currency that is likely to face hyperinflation due to low demand.



Fantastic rhetoric, now, would you like to actually cite some facts or just continue to speak in unsubstantiated generalities?



Or you had a president who instituted economic policies that, much to your chagrin, worked, and when changing economic times came along and the new administration failed to adapt an economic collapse occurred which you wrongly attribute to a successful administration. Provide some causality to some of your claims and they might rise about rhetoric.

Why do you care about the Falklands(Malvines)? Strategic Sheep pourposes?

Yes, free trade sounds great. But then why almost every countrie in the world tries to protect thier own industry? Specially the US, i mean they can export anything here, but god forbid we export anything to the US.



haha, i mean the state took care of all the debt of the private companies, making it a part of the public foreing debt.



This are some of the state companies that were privatized in the 90.

-SEGBA (energy)
-GAS DEL ESTADO (gas)
-OSN (water)
-ENTEL (comunications)
-YPF (oil)
-AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS (airline)
-Also Trains and Subways.

And before you say it. The service was not improved at all, in some cases is even worst than before. And the state is still giving this private companies huge amounts of money (subsidios ).


The convertibility was efective to stop the hiperinflation but the overrated (sobrevaluado) peso slow down the exportations so the only way to get the needed "divisas" (sorry) was through foreing capitals. Manteinig the convertibility require a huge effort in a countrie where the productivity was not even near the international standard. The only way it could continiue was by making the popular sectors even more miserable by reducing salaries, their jobs, etc...



President De la Rua didnt fail to adapt a "new economic time", he did exactly what the former president did, follow the IMF directives. May i remind you that the great genious economist of Menem's administration, Domingo Cavallo was also the economic minister of De la Rua. And whith even more power that was given to him by the senate.
So its not about the competence or incompetence of the presidents, the hole system couldn't go on the way it was going.

Ask them, they hate us!...

... is basicaly an old teritorie dispute thing.



Just the fact that is a part of our land ocupied by an imperialist power is reason enough.

1. What's the food like?

2. Who is the hottest woman from your country? Pics required

If you could move anywhere in the world (excluding another part of Argentina), where would you go? (Just want to get a non-Euro/American prespective)

When I went there it was a lot of beef, mostly because Argentina is a major cattle country.

Food is great. The normal diet consist in large amounts of meat, at least one meal a day. Also lots of pasta. But you can pretty much get any type of food you want.



Well, this is one of the top models this time around acording to magazines. She is called Carolina Ardohain, but everyone call her "Pampita"
(IMG:http://www.caras.uol.com.ar/galeria/images/ellas/c/carolina_ardohain_29.jpg)

But i have preference for this actress called Dolores Fonzi
(IMG:http://www.caras.uol.com.ar/galeria/images/ellas/d/dolores_fonzi_04.jpg)


Now, if i have to move to another countrie i guess it would be Spain or Italy, but i also would like to spend some time in the US, specially in new York.

This post has been edited by Zippo: Jul 4 2005, 01:32 AM

Does Argentina have the same coast/mountain (plain) divide that the Andean countries have? Like, the coastal dwellers don't like the mountain dwellers, and call them racist names and such? Or is that just on the west coast?

Not really, but there have allways been a major divide between the people from Buenos Aires (porteños) and the rest of the provinces. Among the interior provices the porteños are considered arrogant and the porteños often consider the rest of the provinces as small towns filled with ignorant people. But is not like they hate each other, is mainly just jokes.

This post has been edited by Zippo: Jul 4 2005, 02:33 AM

(IMG:http://www.laplatavive.com/servicios/wallpapers/wallpapers/dolores_fonzi/640x480.jpg)
No wonder Zippo prefers her. It seems she has an affection for male genitalia.

Thats it?





Does it bother you the claim is muddled by legal matters(claims inherited from Spain(or not), UN Decolonization stuff, Majority UK pop and popular soverignty)?

This post has been edited by LordLeto: Jul 4 2005, 03:46 AM

haha No, i meant that at least one of the meals of the day consist in meat.



Yes and No, the claim of territories is mostly a legal matter, but sometimes they can be quite ambiguous. You can just rely only in ancient documents, you have to keep in mind the political situation as well.

This post has been edited by Zippo: Jul 4 2005, 10:47 PM

You mean solely of meat? (¿Tu significa(?) solamente de carne?)*


*Well, it's not too bad considered that I've never studied or otherwise learned Spanish.

Why do you think so many Argentinians follow the legacy of Peron?

How large is the jewish community in Argentina? Do they have much of an influence?

What is your opinion on Mecrosur?

Do you think that in your lifetime you will see a EU-like(European Union) union between South American countries?


This post has been edited by The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A: Jul 4 2005, 11:52 PM

MWO--

I have the sneaky suspicion that he meant meat was the main course of at least one meal a day.

Zippo--
¿Puedo practicar español contigo cuando estoy aburrido? Iré a la España en enero para 3 meses y necesito la practica.

Well, it can be acconpanied with salad, or a sandwich or yes, just the meat.


not to bad, but it would be more like "Quieres decir solamente carne?"



Because his was the first one to bring workers and low classes to the public politics life, before him politics was just practiced by the elite members of the society.


i don't know the exact number, but it was around 200000 -250000. They have lot of influence in the communication mediums (TV, newspapers, radio, etc.). Also in arts like movies and theater.



Things aren't going to well, but i still have my hopes in it. Its important that latin american countries unite and act as a hole as much as posible, but this looks imposible sometimes.


....I think yes, not exactly like the european union because this isn't exactly europe, but yes.... Of course here you never known.

Who is more popular in Argentina, Maradona or Jesus?

What would you say is the general opinion of Argies with regards to America and U.S foreign policy?

What do you think about the U.S Republican Party?

What do you think about the U.S Democratic Party?

This post has been edited by The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A: Jul 5 2005, 01:18 AM