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necro
post Jun 10 2005, 03:24 PM
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ok I am banned for responding to Edward's repeated flames?

He should get something for flame-baiting and flaming himself. I would not be suprised if I was singled out as being at fault because (1) my views in that thread were less popular and (2) Adam is Edward's relation.

If this was a fair thing I would not care, but to say I was trolling and flaming where Edward was not clearly trolling and flaming/flame baiting me is absurd.
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Harry Kewell
post Jun 10 2005, 03:29 PM
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HE trolls, he baits, he doesn't flame.

Also, 9 banned since my last one.
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post Jun 10 2005, 03:33 PM
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actually he did flame me that time around in addition to baiting me. Its very unfair that I get banned and he does not, and sends the wrong message (that Edward is *right* and I am *wrong* in that argument). Whether or not you feel a Moderator can argue one way or the other in a debate, his actions should never favour one party over the other, especially if they are guilty of the same "crime".
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necro
post Jun 10 2005, 03:37 PM
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damn Muzzy you're not your usual inflamatory self.

I'm dissapointed.
And last I remember, flame baiting was also banned. I think Milt got banned for it a few times.
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Harry Kewell
post Jun 10 2005, 03:42 PM
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Provide links now and do so in future when you come across his flaming. It will save you crying foul now.

I will agree, though, that your efforts are far too pissweak to warrant banning. Dare I say the psyche attack equivalent of a girly slap...

That better?
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post Jun 10 2005, 03:42 PM
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It wasn't flaming to say your thread was anti-Catholic garbage, it was an accurate description as everyone else agreed.


I imagine Muztard/Harry Kewell (which do you prefer?) isn't his usual self because even he is having trouble finding the enthusiasm to defend you.
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post Jun 10 2005, 03:45 PM
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Necro -

You had two warnings prior to the issuing of the last.

Ed did not.

You reached #3. Guess what? That means a ban.
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post Jun 10 2005, 04:07 PM
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I dont remember getting those warnings. My warn has been at 20% for as long as I can remember.

And Ed has been trolling/flame baiting forever, and does it much more than I do.

Whatever... I'll just wait it out.
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post Jun 10 2005, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(QWOT @ Jun 10 2005, 03:42 PM)
It wasn't flaming to say your thread was anti-Catholic garbage, it was an accurate description as everyone else agreed.
I imagine Muztard/Harry Kewell (which do you prefer?) isn't his usual self because even he is having trouble finding the enthusiasm to defend you.
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I prefer Muzz, actually, but any of the above will suffice.
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Whatever... I'll just wait it out.

Clearly not, since you continue to post in here.

I might like to add, if you wish to do the whole "Contest the ban/troll" thing it's been done better, more often by others in the past and you are disgracing those past efforts with this insipid display.

Alex and I could boil blood with our protesting, you're battling to raise someone's eyebrows.

All in all, a thoroughly lacking effort.
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post Jun 10 2005, 05:24 PM
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Then all of Ed's and DS's stuff is anti-catholic garbage.
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post Jun 10 2005, 05:24 PM
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*meant anti-dermocratic. am tired right now.
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Necro
post Jun 10 2005, 05:38 PM
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I think that this represents some inherent hypocrisy. QWOT-you and other posters can accuse my thread of being "anti-catholic crap." Whats inherently more wrong with bashing a church/religious ideology than a political party/political ideology???

Its a huge fucking double standard-I would agree with the double standard if these religions didn't have a VAST impact on public policy through legislating from the pulpit. Religious people-Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Christian alike can NOT expouse political views and hide behind the veil of "religious tolerance" when it incurs anger.

And IMO what he was saying was no less "anti gay crap" than what I was saying was "anti catholic crap". There needs to be a strong and cohesive argument for why his views are more valid than mine-and I'm sorry but there is NOT.
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Malevolent
post Jun 10 2005, 05:42 PM
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How about because all you ever give when it comes to religion is trollish assertations, unbacked by anything resembling an argument? Really, you're lucky that you didn't earn a banning earlier.
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necro
post Jun 10 2005, 06:24 PM
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Thats all Ed ever gives to political discussions.

Lets face it, there is a collosal double standard here. Essentially, people can troll their ass off when it comes to politics, and when it comes to religion, you're VERY limited in regards to what you can say.

How many times has Edward quoted Howard Dean and said some trollish statement? A hell of a lot more than I have quoted the Pope. Edward has never posted anything other than lame assertions when it comes to Socialists. All Ed does when Howard Dean says something anti-Republican is troll. So as soon as the Pope says something which I find offensive and anti-gay I need to say "well thats just the pope, I should let catholics be catholics."

And perhaps one of the reasons all I post is assertions and the like is because whenever I DO put something up on UP with a strong argument, Edward and DS ignore it. The only way you can ever get a lot of the people with a theological bent to post something in response is to throw something inflammatory in there.

Also Adam, Edward flamed me in a way which I find VERY offensive on an issue I am known to have very strong feelings towards, and I am the pariah.

Perhaps people should end this intellectual double standard, and perhaps I'll present more logical arguments against the Church and theology when Edward starts putting more logical arguments against the Democratic party, socialism, and progressivism.
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necro
post Jun 10 2005, 06:27 PM
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What on earth possessed the Democrats to make this jackass their Chairman? Yeah, piss off the moderates like Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman and snuggle up to this creep?

Hell, while I was no fan of Clinton or McCauliff, at least they didn't resort to this sort of dredge. It's funny how the Dems, to move to the so-called "progressive" agenda have decided to pander to the far left extremists in place of their traditions. There is no wonder why the voters have rejected them so resoundingly in recent years given that. And this guy was the frontrunner for the nomination of President from the Democrats a little over a year ago??? Unbelieveable.


These are NOT trollish assertions unbacked by an argument? You know what, DS has every right to troll Dean for what he said, but not if I have absolutely no right to speak out against the Pope for what he said.
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:31 PM
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Guess what, Necro:

They weren't at 3 warnings when the ax fell. You had two.

Deal with it.
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necro
post Jun 10 2005, 06:42 PM
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First off, flames are, at least in my definition, with malicious intent. I had no malicious intent, I was responding to a blatant flame by Ed.

Lets find some of Ed's posts. I'd like an explination for why I am a flamer/troll and Ed is not.

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Why should he oppose this? Does he thnk starvation is a pleasent way to die?


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Maybe the several States should bann the use of that feeding tube or perhaps all such feeding tubes?


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Mr. Goodman likes death it seems. This is the kind of attitude that comes out when one thinks Doctors are Gods.


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I find it curious that CNN wand all of you would compare the people want to save Terries life to the murderers of abortion docs yet the people using feeding tubes to keep dolphins alive that beached themselves in a effort to kill themselves are applauded by CNN and probably all of you.


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Does anyone expect them to come back for a hearing? Really.

The big question here is. If there is a terror attack and it becomes known that one of these people was involved who would be held responsible? (Tis is a serious question)


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U.S. Prison Population Soars, Liberals amaze me some days


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That being the case, as much as the leftist lunatics here in the States would like to believe otherwise there must be some more important issues over there.


Talking about arrogant assertions (especially about things one knows little about)...



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Now what do we do, go back to pouliting the air again to save the planet?


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Earth's air is cleaner, but this may worsen the, greenhouse effect


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Obviously since religiousleadres signed the letter they are tryingto impose thier religious views on California Government.


A great one... (how is calling the pope a bigot worse exactly... ? Oh right, I forgot, we let religious leaders get away with saying whatever the fuck they want on UP)

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Liberals are thieves., MaryPIRG came to the house yeaterday


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Can somebody please explain to me why Liberals hate successful business so much? Please?


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Seems that the Legislature will have to over ride the Veto. The Governor has decided that the Liberal Dememocrat plan to Punish Wal-Mart is not acceptable.

I think I'll vote for Bob again!


And I could go ON... I've barely scratched the motherfucking surface. How come liberals get away with Republicans trolling and trolling and flaming and insulting but as soon as one of their own has had enough and acts similairly ONCE out of frustration, they tear him apart?
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Guest
post Jun 10 2005, 06:43 PM
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I'll "deal with it", but first off I'd like to know what those warnings are for-I do not remember getting them-and I want to know why exactly the people on the right in this forum are given greater leeway to flame, troll and do whatever the fuck they want.
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:45 PM
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Adam
Added to warn level Please note that long-winded flames are not the way to win the love and affection of your fellow posters. Especially when said flame reflects a level of hatred and bigotry which you yourself despise. Please consider anger management during this week-long nap.

mhallex
Added to warn level Rather blatant troll thread in the form of "This is why we dont have up or down votes"

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Added to warn level Flaming unprovoked in Politics:

"Fuck you rolly I dont think you've ever lost someone you've loved."

"so STFU."
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:47 PM
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Incidentally, in the future, we have mod threads for a reason. Please avail yourself of the use of them. There's nothing I can't stand more than bitching after the fact, when you fail to do anything at all.

I am coming precariously close to making it a two-week ban as well.
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:47 PM
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Milton too...

Milton, Ed, DS and flame/flame bait/troll ALL the time, and I get banned for being anry at someone who flamed me ONCE just because I had "two prior warnings?"

Either hold Edward, DS, Milton, Ryan, this new fellow BM, and other trolls/flamebaiters to the same standards in regards to warnings as people hold Gengari and I.

I'll deal with it, I just feel discriminated against, as I know that I am not hte biggest troll/flamer on the forum by any standard.

Also, I'm disputing your and QWOT's assertion that I had it coming. Under that standard, Ed and DS and Ryan and Milton and BM all also have had it coming YEARS ago.
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post Jun 10 2005, 06:49 PM
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OK I'll stop...

though it should be noted that I dont post in the mod threat because I dont think Ed's posts count as trolling.

Also, I cannot talk about Ed's repeated cases of trolling and flame baiting if I'm banned for a week.
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post Jun 10 2005, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(Adam @ Jun 10 2005, 05:42 PM)
How about because all you ever give when it comes to religion is trollish assertations, unbacked by anything resembling an argument? Really, you're lucky that you didn't earn a banning earlier.
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OH, hell no. Last time I reported that same exact thing, I was told to simply ignore it, and then later warned for disputing that sentiment. That is complete BS. You cannot warn necro if you do not also warn QWOT, mhallex, gnuneo, gengari, acow, and Lyl...

You would also need to rescind one of my previous warnings as well.

Good to see though that I was, in fact, correct in my assertion that it was trolling to do such a thing, despite YOU, along with mhallex, telling me otherwise.

Anyways, I shall be back tomorrow. In the meantime I have managed to get 2 different accounts permabanned at UP...
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post Jun 10 2005, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Jun 10 2005, 01:49 PM)
I dont think Ed's posts count as trolling.

Also, I cannot talk about Ed's repeated cases of trolling...
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Anyway, this is all stuff you should have reported before you were banned. As it is, the only thing that upsets me about the now-closed Catholic-bashing thread is that my post defending myself went completely un-noticed because everyone was for some reason embroiled in a gay marriage debate.
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post Jun 11 2005, 12:21 AM
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"OH, hell no. Last time I reported that same exact thing, I was told to simply ignore it,"

No, what they were giving you were POS arguments based on shitty facts.
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post Jun 11 2005, 12:55 AM
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Wow. Necro gets banned and goes KFS style.
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post Jun 11 2005, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(Adam @ Jun 11 2005, 12:21 AM)
"OH, hell no. Last time I reported that same exact thing, I was told to simply ignore it,"

No, what they were giving you were POS arguments based on shitty facts.
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No, there are facts, and then there is opinion. There is no such thing as "shitty facts". What they gave was unsupported POS arguments based on opinion. That is exactly the same as necro was banned for. You called it trolling this time, last time it was just a stupid argument that I should ignore or counter with facts.

I dont like necro, I think hes an idiot. He deserved to be banned. However, he is correct in this instance. You are being hypocritical and biased.
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post Jun 11 2005, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Jun 10 2005, 06:49 PM)
OK I'll stop...

though it should be noted that I dont post in the mod threat because I dont think Ed's posts count as trolling.

Also, I cannot talk about Ed's repeated cases of trolling and flame baiting if I'm banned for a week.
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Yes you can, you can continue to read politics and post the cases of trolling in this thread for the moderators to look at.

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OH, hell no. Last time I reported that same exact thing, I was told to simply ignore it, and then later warned for disputing that sentiment. That is complete BS. You cannot warn necro if you do not also warn QWOT, mhallex, gnuneo, gengari, acow, and Lyl...

You would also need to rescind one of my previous warnings as well.

Good to see though that I was, in fact, correct in my assertion that it was trolling to do such a thing, despite YOU, along with mhallex, telling me otherwise.

Anyways, I shall be back tomorrow. In the meantime I have managed to get 2 different accounts permabanned at UP...

If the moderators are not listening to you and warn you for protesting, appeal to the oversight to overturn the decision. That's what he's here for and at least Adam will hear your case as opposed to rubber stamping any mickey mouse warning as was done over the previous regime.
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post Jun 11 2005, 04:39 AM
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QUOTE(guest_Dakyron_* @ Jun 10 2005, 07:14 PM)
OH, hell no. Last time I reported that same exact thing, I was told to simply ignore it, and then later warned for disputing that sentiment. That is complete BS. You cannot warn necro if you do not also warn QWOT, mhallex, gnuneo, gengari, acow, and Lyl...

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Actually your bitching aside I do have a warning from that. Granted, I issued it myself, but I felt that it was only proper that I hold myself to a higher standard.
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post Jun 11 2005, 05:48 AM
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Mhallex...

I still want to know the blatant double standard of warning me for a troll threat about up or down votes where Edward doesnt get a warning for a troll thread of equal... trollitude?
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