In order for you to believe in him?

Appear to me.
Talk to me.
Answer a few questions.
Maybe interact in some seemingly direct way with the universe.

Now, i'll believe in the being that does such things as much as i believe in the keyboard i'm typing on, because then they would have some kind of effect in my life, and in the same way i believe in the world and myself to exist.

But that does not mean i would remove my doubt...

What would it take for you to worship them?

Appear before me and convince me in person. I'm not in the habit of believing in persons I cannot see based on the words of others. Especially after getting burned by Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny <_<

You know, if god was omniscient, he could just make us believe in him. Nevermind the freewill thing, it would be the easiest way. I mean, if some random guy appeared in front of us and said "Hi, I'm God!" we'd probably think hes mad.

As in genuinly "worship"?

Not just "if you get down on your knees for an hour, i'll do some good stuff".

Probably nothing.

Desiring worship is a childish little thing. The same kind of thing in people that sees them wanting fame.

And i'm not a big fan of childish gods...

He'd have to do something godly, miraculous (you know, bring someone back from the dead, cause earthquakes and volcanoes to erupt, walk through walls, something impossible like that), and say, "Hey, I'm the big G-O-D you tiny sack of crap"

DS: Edited flames

This post has been edited by Dragonspirit: Feb 11 2005, 05:34 PM

God has already done more than enough, and far more than we deserve.

It is up to us to meet Him the rest of the way.

This post has been edited by Dragonspirit: Feb 10 2005, 12:46 AM

Fine, God will have to have the dev team fix all the bugs in Counterstrike: Source before Summer CPL and have Day of Defeat: Source released before June before I believe in him.

Is this just a God bashing thread?

Not necisarily, unless you're specificly referring to the christian "god", which this thread did not specify.

The question is also what woul God have to do to make YOU (its a personal question, you see) believe in him.

But the question did not refer to anything other than a general "god" figure, which is why I said that.

what would *you* have to do to beleive in *yourself*?

So you suggest I should believe in god because I am god?

Sorry, had to troll that.

thats not troll - thats truth.

What is your idea of God's nature?

Gnuneo:

Many who endeavor to follow God also have a strong sense of self confidence.

Even, some might say, ego. They might even be so bold as to claim being the highlight, say, of this very site. :)

There was a reason I remember my philosophy prof annoying the hell out of me.. I believe in myself because I know I exist. No need for a 10 page essay to argue that <_<

WTF? First, I'm assuming you mean "believe in yourself" in the ontological sense, not the sappy feel good sense.

As `me', I believe in myself because I'm sitting here existing. You can't get much more true-by-definition than that.

If you're asking "if you were someone else, you have to do to get the someone else to believe in you", well, I think that walking up to them would be pretty sufficient to all but the most solipsistic.

As for the original post, God would have to make a definite appearance to me. E.G. Having a conversation with me and then doing something miraculous of some sort. Of course, if God is reading this, I'd rather he just use his super-duper omnipotence to make me believe.

The answer of this question can give a lot of possibility
which will tunrs to be like wishes in the end, could happen or not.
maybe now those wishes didn't happen ,but does that mean we should stop thinking about the things we have in this universal , which maybe could answer and satisfy our doubts,...

God? Probably cannot be done, too many contridictions for it to exist...

god? Well maybe giving me god like powers would suffice... I am not... And well... yeah... does god give head?

Something doesn't have to seem logical to exist. The very fact of its existence proves it exists.

Being something other than a "god", it's hard to comprehend what exactly a "god" is.

In this matter... I don't think "god", assuming there is only one (which hasn't as of yet been proven to me any more than the existance of such a being), has any specific nature which can be explained accurately given the english language.

So the only way I can accurately define it without writing several pages is the ability to ignore the laws of nature (physics, chemistry, time, and various other things which non-"god" beings can't ignore, and even are designed around).

This post has been edited by Gengari: Feb 11 2005, 06:58 PM

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thats funny (non haha), because thats exactly the argument that beleivers in 'god' give...



but of course you are a god - the universe exists to you as a model that only exists inside your consciousness (see first quote), whilst it may behave unpredictably, that doesnt detract from the fact that ultimately *you* are your own *god*.



god can only be the consciousness of the universe - anything else can only fall short of absolute godhood.

P K dick gave the best example in his concept of VALIS (but not in the book of the same name).

there is no reason to suppose that god does not have to follow certain rules.

You're so long winded :P

If I am as you say, a "god", then what I am referring to is a higher level of being than a "god". A "supergod", if you will.

When I speak of a "god", I am speaking of a being who, while not necisarily unlimited in potential and capability, is much less so than we, as animals we label "humans", are.

uh huh..
I know I exist
If god exists then he knows he exists
Since I have had no contact of any sort with god I cannot say I know he exists. Its really quit simple, why are philosophers able to write thousands of pages in this shit? The world is very logical, its when you get all wishy-washy do things get messay. You are a human being, not a "form", a shadow on some fucking wall or any of that bullshit. Nothing more and nothing less. I can't believe I had to take and pay for such a nonsensical class

shenny:

'your body' is constantly changing, matter is passing in, passing out, the cells are dieing, and renewing, it is unlikely in a very real material sense that you have any cells in your body now, that you had when you were 2.

'your emotions' are constantly shifting, as the chemical balance and energy flow throughout your body changes, it is unlikley you have the same emotions now that you did 6 months ago - even about close friends/lovers. (or even favourite porn!!)

'your thoughts' change every few seconds, flowing through your mind like water through a river, only observed when in meditation, but happening nonetheless. It is unlikely you have the same thought now as you did 30 secs ago.

who is 'shenny'?

"Shenny" is his online persona :P .