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Bush attacks Democrats on Iraq deadline
POSTED: 2010 GMT (0410 HKT), March 28, 2007
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• NEW: "Consequences (of setting deadline) would be disastrous," Bush says
• NEW: President renews threat to veto any bill that includes withdrawal timeline
• Senate resumes debate on war spending bill that includes withdrawal timetable
• Bill survives challenge that would have removed timetable by 50-48 vote
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush accused congressional Democrats Wednesday of meddling in Iraq war policy and setting a deadline for a U.S. pullout that would have disastrous repercussions for both countries.

As the Senate resumed debate Wednesday on a bill containing a spring 2008 timetable for bringing American troops home, Bush argued again that such a step would result in a needless delay of funds for troops. But Democrats are insisting that he'll have to accept some sort of timeline to get the money.

"Why doesn't he get real with what's going on with the world?" Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said after Bush's speech. "We're not holding up funding in Iraq and he knows that. Why doesn't he deal with the real issues facing the American people?" (Watch how the vote unfolded Video)

Bush said Wednesday that the Democratic strategy move will not force him to negotiate. He said again that he would veto any funding legislation that includes a withdrawal timeline. (Watch Bush threaten to veto legislation)

"The consequences of imposing such a specific and random date of withdrawal would be disastrous," Bush said in a speech at the National Cattlemen's Beef Association meeting. "Our enemies in Iraq would simply have to mark their calendars. They'd spend the months ahead plotting how to use their new safe haven once we were to leave. It makes no sense for politicians in Washington, D.C. to be dictating arbitrary timelines for our military commanders in a war zone 6,000 miles away."

Bush broadly defended his new war plan, which involves sending 21,500 additional U.S. combat troops to Iraq to help secure Baghdad and troubled Anbar Province. He said two months of joint operations with Iraqi troops have seen some early successes but "it's going to require a sustained, determined effort to succeed." (Watch Bush make his case for keeping troops in Iraq Video)

"If we cannot muster the resolve to defeat this evil in Iraq, America will have lost its moral purpose in the world and we will endanger our citizens," the president said. "If we leave Iraq before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here."

Bush accused lawmakers of engaging in little more than "political statements" even as money for troops will run out next month.

"If Congress fails to pass a bill to fund our troops on the front lines, the American people will know who to hold responsible," Bush said.

But Reid and other Democrats say they won't back down.

"This Congress will hold him accountable for the conduct of this war and we will have legislation that will give him every dollar he asks for for our troops and more, but with accountability," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California. (Watch Pelosi to tell Bush to 'calm down' Video)

The bill finances operations in Iraq and Afghanistan but requires Bush begin bringing home some combat troops right away with a nonbinding goal of ending combat missions as of March 31, 2008.

The House last week passed a similar bill by a 218-212 vote. That bill orders combat troops out by August 31, 2008 -- guaranteeing the final spending measure negotiated with the Senate will include some sort of timetable on the war.

Sen. John McCain, a 2008 Republican presidential aspirant, called the vote "a very bad decision." (Watch McCain assess Iraq's future Video)

McCain, appearing on NBC's "Today" show Wednesday from Orlando, Florida, said the war "was badly mismanaged. But there are signs of progress everywhere. ... I am confident that given the opportunity, we can have success. The consequences of failure are catastrophic because if we come home, bin Laden and Zarqawi, they are going to follow us."

Senate Republicans tried Tuesday to strip out the withdrawal language but failed in a 50-48 vote. One Democrat -- Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas -- sided with Republicans in opposition to the public deadline, contending such a measure would broadcast U.S. war plans to the enemies.

"Congress should not define how long our enemy has to hang on to win," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina.

Sen. Chuck Hagel delivered the deciding vote by joining anti-war Republican Gordon Smith of Oregon in breaking ranks and voting with Democrats to put a nonbinding end date on the war. (Watch Hagel question claims of progress in Iraq Video)

"Is the cost worth what we are attempting to accomplish? Is the cost worth the high price we are asking others to pay? Ultimately, that is the question we should always ask ourselves," said Hagel, R-Nebraska, in a floor speech on Wednesday.

Pryor said he supports setting a deadline for U.S. involvement in Iraq, but only so long as such a date remains classified. Pryor compares the 2008 date set by his Democratic colleagues akin to announcing to the Germans plans for the U.S. invasion of France in World War II.

But ultimately, Pryor said, he will vote in favor of the bill.

"At the end of the day, the end of the process, I'm going to support the troops," he said.

The vote leaves hanging a small group of Republicans frustrated by the war and wanting to go on record as such but opposed to setting a timetable.

In recent months, GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, John Warner of Virginia, Norm Coleman of Minnesota and Olympia Snowe of Maine wanted legislation expressing opposition to Bush's war strategy and setting goals for the Iraqi government to meet in exchange for continued U.S. support.

But each said they opposed setting a firm timetable on the war and sided with their Republican colleagues.

"My vote against this rapid withdrawal does not mean that I support an open-ended commitment of U.S. troops to Iraq," Collins said in a statement issued after the vote.

If Bush's strategy in Iraq does not show "significant results" by fall, "then Congress should consider all options including a redefinition of our mission and a gradual but significant withdrawal of our troops next year."


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Hmm, I am a bit uncertain about how good an ideer this is. On one hand, it might motivate the goverment to use their, going-to-be-limited, ressources better and produce better results, aswell as making the goverment more accountable. But on the other hand it might just force USA into a corner where they will be fighting against the clock. This bill might just motivate the Iraque resistence/insurgents and other factions that is opposing the coalition forces, as well as destabilizing the Iraque goverment because people know they might loose considerable support in the future. This might just get quite messy.

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- Remember_the_day   Bush's response to the Iraq dealine   Mar 28 2007, 09:47 PM
- - Dragonspirit   Politically, I don't think the Democrats expec...   Mar 28 2007, 09:57 PM
- - Stimulant   a withdrawl deadline is a surrender that makes dem...   Mar 28 2007, 10:28 PM
- - Thor of the Orange Hammer   This is exacxtly what Schmucky Schumer told us was...   Mar 31 2007, 09:32 AM
- - necrolyte   You know, I dont think we'll militarily win th...   Mar 31 2007, 04:56 PM
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- - Dragonspirit   How about we stay until the Iraqi police and milit...   Mar 31 2007, 07:28 PM
|- - Seizure Man   QUOTE(Dragonspirit @ Mar 31 2007, 03:28 P...   Mar 31 2007, 07:47 PM
|- - necrolyte   QUOTE(Dragonspirit @ Mar 31 2007, 07:28 P...   Mar 31 2007, 08:24 PM
|- - Thor of the Orange Hammer   QUOTE(necrolyte @ Mar 31 2007, 03:24 PM) ...   Apr 1 2007, 10:51 AM
- - Christian   QUOTEHow about we stay until the Iraqi police and ...   Mar 31 2007, 07:48 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTEHow about we stay until the Iraqi police and ...   Mar 31 2007, 07:51 PM
- - Dragonspirit   QUOTE Maybe, if you are comparing them in history ...   Mar 31 2007, 08:23 PM
|- - Seizure Man   QUOTE(Dragonspirit @ Mar 31 2007, 04:23 P...   Mar 31 2007, 08:33 PM
|- - QWOT   QUOTE(Dragonspirit @ Mar 31 2007, 01:23 P...   Apr 1 2007, 07:35 PM
|- - Thor of the Orange Hammer   QUOTE(QWOT @ Apr 1 2007, 02:35 PM) 447373...   Apr 3 2007, 08:21 PM
|- - QWOT   QUOTE(Thor of the Orange Hammer @ Apr 3 2007,...   Apr 4 2007, 05:07 AM
|- - Thor of the Orange Hammer   QUOTE(QWOT @ Apr 4 2007, 12:07 AM) 447837...   Apr 4 2007, 08:16 AM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTEHowever. we obviously can not be there foreve...   Mar 31 2007, 08:32 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTEYou're only counting American soldiers? ...   Mar 31 2007, 08:34 PM
- - Dragonspirit   QUOTE How long is too long? An hour longer than ...   Mar 31 2007, 08:39 PM
- - Christian   QUOTEIs it your opinion that Iraq is ungovernable?...   Mar 31 2007, 08:41 PM
|- - Shaidar   QUOTE(Christian @ Mar 31 2007, 08:41 PM) ...   Apr 4 2007, 04:03 PM
- - Demosthenes   How are the Iraqi police and army supposed to hold...   Mar 31 2007, 11:40 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTEAn hour longer than is necessary to give cont...   Mar 31 2007, 11:52 PM
- - Cerian   The level of US casualties doesn't mean much, ...   Apr 1 2007, 12:13 AM
- - necrolyte   QUOTE1. No, I'm not, nor should I. Why not?...   Apr 1 2007, 12:21 AM
|- - Thor of the Orange Hammer   QUOTE(necrolyte @ Mar 31 2007, 07:21 PM) ...   Apr 1 2007, 10:41 AM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTEHow long are we going to be in Kosovo and Bos...   Apr 1 2007, 04:37 PM
- - necrolyte   QUOTEOn the contrary we had defeated the VC by 197...   Apr 1 2007, 07:01 PM
- - purvisxiii   Five years? Ten thousand? Anyone? QUOTEIf you ...   Apr 2 2007, 01:45 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTE(miltonfriedman @ Mar 22 2007, 10:04...   Apr 3 2007, 01:56 PM
- - zkajan   QUOTE(Bush @ Mar 28 2007, 05:47 PM) 44690...   Apr 3 2007, 09:17 PM
- - Dragonspirit   He is the commander in chief, it is his job to dic...   Apr 3 2007, 09:27 PM
- - purvisxiii   How long is too long? Looking for a number. Still....   Apr 3 2007, 09:39 PM
- - Seizure Man   A hundred years is too long. Narrow it down from ...   Apr 3 2007, 10:06 PM
- - Dragonspirit   QUOTE victory (not that you can tell me what that ...   Apr 3 2007, 10:07 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTENot psychic or willing to set a failure line....   Apr 4 2007, 12:31 AM
- - Stimulant   QUOTE Between now and the sun winking out you can...   Apr 4 2007, 12:44 AM
- - purvisxiii   Throwing money down a hole indefinitely. Now that...   Apr 4 2007, 02:21 AM
- - purvisxiii   Ten years? Fifty? 500? 10,000? How long is too...   Apr 4 2007, 12:58 PM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTENot psychic or willing to set a failure line....   Apr 4 2007, 01:14 PM
- - purvisxiii   How long is too long? How much money is too much? ...   Apr 5 2007, 01:01 PM
- - purvisxiii   Eight days. One question. No answer.   Apr 7 2007, 03:03 PM
- - Dragonspirit   It's an invalid question, that's why. Som...   Apr 7 2007, 09:52 PM
- - purvisxiii   To whom would we be tendering this imaginary surre...   Apr 7 2007, 09:56 PM
- - QWOT   QUOTE(Thor of the Orange Hammer @ Apr 4 2007,...   Apr 7 2007, 10:08 PM
|- - Shaidar   QUOTE(QWOT @ Apr 7 2007, 10:08 PM) 448509...   Apr 14 2007, 01:29 PM
- - zaragosa   May have been posted already... QUOTE(America...   Apr 7 2007, 10:34 PM
- - purvisxiii   To whom would we be tendering this imaginary surre...   Apr 10 2007, 02:29 PM
- - Dragonspirit   Purvis: You seem to want to surrender to the insu...   Apr 10 2007, 10:53 PM
|- - QWOT   QUOTE(Dragonspirit @ Apr 10 2007, 03:53 P...   Apr 11 2007, 04:54 AM
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- - Dragonspirit   QUOTE ok then, not arbitrary, how about right now?...   Apr 11 2007, 04:24 AM
- - necrolyte   QUOTEWhy Iraq? Why not Afghanistan? Why not South ...   Apr 11 2007, 04:50 AM
- - purvisxiii   QUOTELet me ask you something, in all seriousness ...   Apr 11 2007, 05:13 AM


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