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post Feb 8 2007, 05:58 AM
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this is hardly an isolated example of a non-consensus position slowly becoming accepted.



You mean *gasp* a consenus forming from non-consensus?

Where could that horror EVER happen?
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post Feb 8 2007, 12:18 PM
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telum: to say there is a consensus upon an issue is a far cry from accusing those outside the consensus of being "unscientific".

one is correct, it merely means there is a large agreement upon an issue that can change in the future, in a proper scientific approach, the other is to essentially use religious language to close down discussion on a topic, it is easy to see the term "unscientific" can be replaced by the word "heresy".

heresy is not a word that belongs anywhere near science.
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post Feb 8 2007, 01:04 PM
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regardless of how correct the scientific minority is, if the overwhelming consensus (you listed a handful of sources at best) is in one direction, especially when many of these organizations are either international in scope or from a number of different countries, it's very reasonable to take what they say at face value.

i realize that it's probably been a while since you've taken a logic or rhetoric class (if you ever have), but arguing from authority is valid iff it's a majority view in the field.
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post Feb 8 2007, 02:16 PM
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so are you saying that arguing against a consensus is "anti-scientific"?


is science all about conforming to the majority? Because i tend to regard that as more religion, than science.
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post Feb 8 2007, 07:09 PM
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i never used the phrase anti scientific

if you can't make your argument without putting words in my mouth, then just give up
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post Feb 8 2007, 11:14 PM
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Nor did I actually.

The thread goes like this:

Gnuneo makes preposterous claim
Claim is refuted
Gnuneo makes things up
Made up things are refuted
Gnuneo makes up things his opponents said
Such allegations are refuted

See a pattern?
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post Mar 6 2010, 10:25 PM
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hmmm...

do feel free to change your opinions... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 10 2010, 12:39 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8025454.stm

Lithium in water 'curbs suicide'

Drinking water which contains the element lithium may reduce the risk of suicide, a Japanese study suggests.

Researchers examined levels of lithium in drinking water and suicide rates in the prefecture of Oita, which has a population of more than one million.

The suicide rate was significantly lower in those areas with the highest levels of the element, they wrote in the British Journal of Psychiatry.

High doses of lithium are already used to treat serious mood disorders.

But the team from the universities of Oita and Hiroshima found that even relatively low levels appeared to have a positive impact of suicide rates.

Levels ranged from 0.7 to 59 micrograms per litre. The researchers speculated that while these levels were low, there may be a cumulative protective effect on the brain from years of drinking this tap water.

Added element

At least one previous study has suggested an association between lithium in tap water and suicide. That research on data collected from the 1980s also found a significantly lower rate of suicide in areas with relatively high lithium levels.

The Japanese researchers called for further research in other countries but they stopped short of any suggestion that lithium be added to drinking water.

The discussion around adding fluoride to water to protect dental health has proved controversial - criticised by some as mass involuntary medication.

In an accompanying editorial, Professor Allan Young of Vancouver's Institute for Mental Health said "this intriguing data should provoke further research.

"Large-scale trials involving the addition of lithium to drinking water supplies may then be feasible, although this would undoubtedly be subject to considerable debate. Following up on these findings will not be straightforward or inexpensive, but the eventual benefits for community mental health may be considerable."

Sophie Corlett, external relations director at mental health charity Mind said the research "certainly merits more investigation.

"We already know that lithium can act as a powerful mood stabiliser for people with bipolar disorder, and treating people with lithium is also associated with lower suicide rates.

"However, lithium also has significant and an unpleasant side effects in higher doses, and can be toxic. Any suggestion that it should be added, even in tiny amounts, to drinking water should be treated with caution and researched very thoroughly."
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post Mar 10 2010, 05:11 AM
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well, i would be 'Serene' about that, i would definitely be in a State of Serenity should the State start adding G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate to our water supply. :nods:

thanks for the heads up, qzujak49.
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