Were BACK!!!!!!!!!!, Falconist Party has a new website Options

[Praetor]

That's right, were back and we, the Falconist Partyhave a brand new website complete with a blog and discussion forum. This website is best viewed with Microsoft Internet Explorer. So check it out.

[Praetor]

In case the link doesn't come through, just type in www.falconistparty.us

[Sovy Kurosei]

Is this a joke party, or is it serious?

Serious question.

[Esh]

Hey, I remember that site. much more professional-looking now.

edit: and I still say no, no and Hell no. Go with Buchanan; he's similar and has a larger following.

further edit: some interesting and original ideas, though. not that I agree with them.

This post has been edited by Esh: Sep 5 2004, 11:40 PM

[Sovy Kurosei]

Under your article, Manifest Destiny, section #5, are you offering stateship to Quebec as well?

[Telum]

I echo sovy.

Is this a parody site?

[Ralph Wiggum]

I remember when he was here the first time.

He is not kidding.

[Esh]

And he gets offended if you think he is.

[Oddfish]

Don't be silly, it's obviously a joke site, right Praetor?

This post has been edited by Oddfish: Sep 6 2004, 12:24 AM

[Telum]

I remember when he was here the first time.

He is not kidding.

Are you sure?

Perhaps this is a political party sponsored by www.theonion.com?

[Sovy Kurosei]

http://www.falconistparty.org/

Or Viagra.

[Ralph Wiggum]

BTW, I don't know if you are gonna come back, but if you do, I have some questions. First of all...

[quote]#4. Reform the Supreme Court
• Expand the number of justices from 9 to 15
• Divide into three separate tribunals[/quote]

Why?

[quote] • Any candidate and/or party that makes the national ballot shall receive free airtime, a spot in the Presidential debates, and $10 million in federal matching funds. [/quote]

Airtime costs money. You can't expect television stations to just broadcast it for free; they'll lose money for this. How do you propose going about this?

[quote]#3. Create additional Vice-President Offices
• Elected Vice-President shall be the Executive V.P.
• Additional Vice-Presidents shall be appointed for the areas of Economic Policy, Domestic Policy, Operations, and National Security.[/quote]

What is the point? How will they fit in with the Senate? What would the order of succession be?

[quote]
1. The House of Representatives shall be elected every year ending in five or zero by proportional representation. The first 300 seats shall be apportioned among all political parties based on the percentage of popular vote received and the party that wins the most votes shall receive an additional 100 seats. The party that wins the Presidency of the United States shall receive a bonus 35 seats.
2. The Senate shall be also be elected every year ending in five or zero with 100 seats being apportioned among all political parties based on the percentage of popular vote each party receives. The party with the most votes shall receive a bonus 25 seats and the party that wins the Presidency shall receive a bonus 5 seats.
3. The Presidency of the United States shall be elected every year ending in five or zero by direct popular vote. Any candidate who receives a minimum of 50.1% of the direct popular vote shall be elected President. If no candidate attains 50.1% then a runoff must be held between the top two candidates and whoever wins the most states shall be elected President. [/quote]

Think of the chaos this would cause to have them all elected at the same time. Why not stagger it like it is done today? How will the apportioned seats in the House and Senate be elected? Most certainly not by state! I mean, each state in the Senate recieves two seats, and seats in the house are elected by district. Why should each state/district have to support political parties they don't believe in?

[quote] 9. Marriage in the United States shall be between a man and a woman until death do them part.
10. Public schools shall teach the role that Christianity played in the development of our nation's history, government, and culture.
[/quote]
Why? Does this not strike you as a little stupid? I certainly hope you would also want schools to teach some things such as the Barbary Treaties...read article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli. Nah, I'll make it available to you right here:

[quote]ARTICLE 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion[/quote]
_________________________

[quote] • Cost-prohibitive taxes on alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and pornography
a gasoline tax of $3/gallon with $1 going to the federal government, $1 going to the state government, and $1 going to the local government. [/quote]
Does this not sound a little draconian? Three dollars in taxes on gasoline? Money doesn't grow on trees; what do you have to say about people who commute two hours to their job? Also, what's with the government enforcing Christian morality? Isn't it supposed to be religion-neutral (I know it isn't now, as atheism is a religion as well)?

[quote] • The current U.S. Dollar shall be replaced by the New U.S. Dollar (N$). One N$ shall equal $100 old U.S. [/quote]
Why? What is the point? Don't you realize that doing something like this would destroy our economy?

[quote] • A nationwide railroad network carrying Magnalev trains that fly at 300 M.P.H shall be built.
• A nationwide railroad network carrying Magnalev trains that fly at 300 M.P.H shall be built.
• A nationwide network of desalination plants, pipelines, canals, and irrigation systems shall be built.
• A nationwide system of solar and nuclear power plants shall be built. [/quote]
Where will the money come from? There is plenty of other things your platform has which will hurt our economy, and you expect people to pull more money out of their asses to pay for public transportation that they may not necessarily use? I think this will cost far more than 5% of our GDP, and there are some other issues with that...

[quote] • A Labor Corps administered by the military shall conscript all able-bodied unemployed people to work rebuilding America. [/quote]
Conscript? What about homeless people who are perfectly happy with being homeless? There are some out there.

[quote] • Conduct a crash research and development program in Cold Fusion [/quote]
I believe the Cold Fusion research is already underway...

[quote] • Construct ten-kilometer satellite solar power stations in low Earth orbit to harness the energy of the sun and beam it to collectors on Earth in the form of microwaves.[/quote]
Do we have the technology? Will it be cost-effective with the technology we have?

[quote] a) All Americans above the age of 26 will serve 6-12 months of military service
• After completion of training, citizens will be inducted into the reserves
• Citizens will be issued weapons, ammo, and TA-50

b) All Americans 18-25 will serve four years of federal service
• Minimum six months for basic military and skill training
• Remaining months may be spent in service as policemen, firemen, rescue workers, missionaries, senior center staff, serving in the inner cities, etc.
• All who complete federal service will be eligible to a four-year all-expense paid education of a voucher to buy a home or start a business[/quote]
This would essentially crush the American economy. A lot of jobs would be lost, and a lot of money would be required to maintain this. In addition, it more than merely smacks of fascism (as do a lot of your other policies)...and whether you like it or not, fascism is very bad...I would like to think of us as more than just cogs in a nationalistic machine, as we are, and its not that simple...

I must say, I like your prison reform, though...
[quote]#8. Prisons will be reformed along these lines
• Faith-based rehabilitation programs will be in place
• Prisoners will earn their keep
• Petty offenders will work for the people they wronged
• Prisoners must complete skill training and an education to be released
• Petty offenders will be segregated from violent criminals
• Prisons will be designed for rehabilitation as well as punishment
• Increase the number of guards and corrections officers by 10-fold
• Eradicate jailhouse violence[/quote]

[quote]#9. Issue block grants to state and local governments to expand police forces

10. Arm the police to the teeth, overwhelm criminals with overwhelming force

11. Hire more judges and prosecutors, expand courtrooms to hear more cases

12. Put one million more policemen on the street

13. Put one million more fire and rescue personnel on duty.

14. Improve the compensation for all policemen, firefighters, and rescue workers

15. First-responders will be exempt from military service[/quote]
Where will this money come from? People are far more than merely consumers...someone has to do the producing, as well...

[quote]#3. Religion will return to public schools[/quote]
Which one?

[quote] • All students graduating with a HS1 diploma must pass the IB or AP exams [/quote]
Which ones?

[quote] • People who advertise their immorality will face the consequences[/quote]What is immorality? Why is it immoral?

[quote] #8. Deny permits for businesses to open shop in the gambling, alcohol, or sex industries

#9. Businesses engaged in pornography will be bought out and dismantled

10. Terminate state lotteries and outlaw gambling wherever its possible[/quote]
Why?

[quote] #4. The church will assume the lion's share of providing social services

#5. The church will assume the lion's share of fighting the war on poverty[/quote]
Which church?

[quote]
The Falconist Party sees Washington as the capital of the world.[/quote]
LMAO! BWAAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAA

excuse me.

[quote] #5. Expand Israel's borders to include the following areas
• Israel proper and the West Bank
• Lebanon and Syria
• Sinai Peninsula
• America will fund the voluntary relocation of all the world's Jews to Israel[/qutote]
What gives us the right to expand Israel's borders? What about the citizens of these nations?

[quote] • Fund the terraforming of Mars and Venus [/quote]
Terraforming Venus will not be within our capabilities for a very long time. We would have to hit it with a very large object.

[quote] #5. First unify North and South America under the Stars and Stripes.
• Each Canadian province will be offered U.S. Statehood
• Greenland will be purchased from Denmark
• Cuba and Haiti will be liberated and admitted into the union
• All Latin American nations will be offered U.S. territorial status and ten-years later, U.S. Statehood.[/quote]
What if they refuse US Statehood? Force it on them? Will that not breed more violence?

There were more I ran across that I found utterly ridiculous, but they were related to other things you said which I raised the same questions.

[Telum]

Lib- Dont waste your time.

This is quite clearly a joke, just like the pink elephant party.

[Ralph Wiggum]

He has 50 posts for a reason. He absolutely believes everything he says, and did when he first showed up.

[Telum]

He has 50 posts for a reason.  He absolutely believes everything he says, and did when he first showed up.

So hes a troll, your point?

[ro4444]

#2. That a new system of immigration is implemented
• All immigrants above the age of 18 must serve a minimum of one year of military service for basic military and citizenship training.

For some inexplicable reason, when I read this I was reminded of Rome and about how well stacking the military with foreigners was... (IMG:http://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


Other than that some of it looks OK.

This post has been edited by ro4444: Sep 6 2004, 01:05 AM

[Telum]

And I would like to point out that like stevetopianism, this belongs in AHB

[ro4444]

Incorrect.

Both are political theories (technically) and belong in politics.

[Praetor]

To begin with, the current "winner take all" system guarrantees a monopoly for the two-party oligarchy ruling this country. If we had proportional representation, not only would it break the two-party monopoly, it would also get rid of this gerrymandering business.
Also, since the House is fixed to 435 seats, what would we do if the USA expanded to 225 states? Would we have the Senators outnumber the Representatives? And its gotten to a point where there is one representative for every 600,000 people. Is there a point where there will be too many constitutents for one person to represent. We think we have a better system.
Not to mention the members of Congress, being elected by proportional representation rather than by congressional districts, will no longer be obligated to bring pork home hence they can vote to reduce spending without fear of losing an election. Instead, nationwide, people will be presented with a ballot with all political parties on the ballot. The people vote to see which party they want in power. If the GOP wins 20% of the vote, they will win 20% of the first 300 seats, or 60 seats. And the top 60 candidates on the GOPs list will take their seats in Congress.

As for the Supreme Court, we just wanted to get rid of the justices who made decisions that nearly ruined our country. But this plank is under review as we came up with an amendment that will allow the American people to set aside Supreme Court decisions in a national refferundum.

As for paying for our rebuilding programs, we specifically said in our FAQs that our building programs will pay for themselves. To begin with, every $1 spent rebuilding America will add $3 to America's GDP. And every $1 billion spent rebuilding America will also create 10,000 new jobs. That is also 10,000 less welfare checks to cut and 10,000 more tax-paying workers. We also plan to finance these programs through the restructuring of America's financial system which will include replacing the semi-private Federal Reserve with a Government owned and operated Bank of the United States.
We also propose a one-time tax of 15% on citizens whose assets are worth $10 million or more. The tax may be paid in assets or cash.. The funds generated by this tax will be earmarked soley to retiring the national debt. Once the national debt is retired, the US Government will save $500 billion a year in interest payments on the national debt. Not to mention with the national debt retired, the interest rates for the private sector will also be cut.
Finally, not all our programs will be implemented all at once. These programs will be implemented gradually one at a time. Our first prioirty will be to get America's economy moving and growing and as the economy grows, we will be able to implement more and more of our programs.

And no, we won't force US Statehood on any nation. We will remove tyrants from power so the people of these nations can choose the destiny of their nation though. If they vote against joining the USA, then we will respect their decision to be soverign independent nations. However, if we actually did the job in Iraq and A-Stan right, those nations would be prospering by now and nations would be banging down our doors to join our union.

[ro4444]

What about employing foreigners in the military? Does you not see any long term problems with that?

[Telum]

To begin with, every $1 spent rebuilding America will add $3 to America's GDP. And every $1 billion spent rebuilding America will also create 10,000 new jobs.

Source?

[Esh]

tyrants like Peru's democratically elected Alberto Toledo?

[Ralph Wiggum]

QUOTE(Praetor @ Sep 5 2004, 09:41 PM)
To begin with, every $1 spent rebuilding America will add $3 to America's GDP. And every $1 billion spent rebuilding America will also create 10,000 new jobs.

I think he means that much money will be printed. A serious no-no. Someone needs to graduate from high school and read some serious polisci and philosphical books, instead of Robert Heinlein, and get a more realistic grasp of how the world works before he tries to set up a new political system.

[Molimo]

[quote=Praetor,Sep 6 2004, 01:41 AM]      Also, since the House is fixed to 435 seats, what would we do if the USA expanded to 225 states? Would we have the Senators outnumber the Representatives?[/quote]

You're quadrupling the size of the US... how?

[quote]As for paying for our rebuilding programs, we specifically said in our FAQs that our building programs will pay for themselves.[/quote]

I'ma take a look at this FAQ...

[quote]First of all, most of the programs the Falconist Party proposes will pay for themselves. Rebuilding America's infrastructure will add $3 to our GDP for every $1 invested. Space colonization will add $8-30 to the GDP for every $1 invested.[/quote]

Same as Telum said: Source?

[quote]Second of all, unemployed people don't pay taxes. The more people we put to work, the more people who will go from welfare recipients to taxpayers.[/quote]

Yes, but most of these ex-unemployed people will just be working police, firefighter, and other public service-type jobs. They'll be paying taxes, but the money to pay them will come out of the government's pocket in the first place.

[quote]Third, many of our programs won't involve so much as spending more money but making better use of the money we have to attain economic goals.
Were not trying to build more ladders, but replace old ladders with better ones.[/quote]

An excellent idea on paper. But to build a nationwide network of Maglev trains alone will cost billions. Add in rebuilding all the roads, solar/nuclear power plants, etc... we're looking at hundreds of billions you're spending just on rebuilding infrastructure.


[quote]Fourth, were going to restructure the financial system of the United States and restructure America's national debt. We will reduce interest rates, convert the national debt into stock in government held corporations, and nationalize the nation's central bank.[/quote]

Not sure how or if that would work. Maybe a more economically-inclined person could tell me if it works?

[quote]Fifth, were going to offset the cost of our military by having the military own businesses operated by civilians for the military's profit. The cost of our military will also be offset by tribute from nations were rebuilding and defending.[/quote]

Good luck on the tribute thing. It won't happen, period. Military-owned businesses? Why not build a huge, fifty-kilometer wide hole and fill it with money instead?

[quote]Finally, not all of these programs will be implemented at once. The first priority will be the rebuilding of our infrastructure and industrial base. Once we get the economy moving, we will implement the other programs such as universal health insurance, space colonization, and so on.[/quote]

Rebuilding infrastructure on its own will cost billions. You still haven't explained where you'll get the technology to start colonizing Mars and Venus. Colonizing Mars is possible now, but would require hundreds of billions of dollars as an investment, and is risky enough that that could easily be wasted.

[quote]We also propose a one-time tax of 15% on citizens whose assets are worth $10 million or more. The tax may be paid in assets or cash.. The funds generated by this tax will be earmarked soley to retiring the national debt. Once the national debt is retired...[/quote]

Yes, that'll work! A 15% tax on citizens with a $10 million or more networth will easily raise seven trillion dollars! Because, y'know, american citizens easily have over 50 trillion dollars in assets.

[quote]Finally, not all our programs will be implemented all at once. These programs will be implemented gradually one at a time. Our first prioirty will be to get America's economy moving and growing and as the economy grows, we will be able to implement more and more of our programs.[/quote]

I don't see how the American economy can get strong enough to support this. Seriously, there is so much money being spent under this plan, it's ridiculous. Maybe if you took the annual GDP of China, and took ALL of that, you could finance all these plans.

[quote]And no, we won't force US Statehood on any nation. We will remove tyrants from power so the people of these nations can choose the destiny of their nation though. If they vote against joining the USA, then we will respect their decision to be soverign independent nations. However, if we actually did the job in Iraq and A-Stan right, those nations would be prospering by now and nations would be banging down our doors to join our union.

[/quote]

Whew, Canada can stay independent. Although I don't really call our PM a tyrant.

PS:

[quote=falconistparty.us] 18. Veterans will be appointed high ranking federal appointments[/quote]

Yeah, I think he's a troll.

[Ralph Wiggum]

You know, the part about asking other nations to join the US reminds me a lot of Dar-al-Islam under a caliphate. At least under your plan we won't be taxing them and invading them if they refuse to pay. oh, wait, isn't that what the tribute part will be?

This post has been edited by Vlad's Daddy: Sep 6 2004, 02:57 AM

[Oddfish]

For some inexplicable reason, when I read this I was reminded of Rome and about how well stacking the military with foreigners was... (IMG:http://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Other than that some of it looks OK.

I think the idea is to discipline them more so than actually use them as an army. They'd make perfect cannon fodder though....

[ro4444]

Yeah, but if immigration is strong, the majority of the military could be filled with foreigners. That = BAD.

[Oddfish]

Only if you go to war, and your ass will be covered because you've got nukes out your earholes. The Romans did not share this advantage to my knowledge.
But yes, loyal citizens > foreigners.

[Praetor]

As for the technology to colonize the Moon, Mars, Venus, etc, we will have to develop it. Let me ask you something, when JFK announced a program to go to the moon, did we have the technology to do it? We had rockets to get a man into orbit but not to get men all the way to the Moon. So we launched a crash R&D program to land men on the Moon in eight years. Not only did we develop the technology to get man to the moon, it created a bunch of "spin-off" technologies like fuel cells, advanced computers, the technology for pacemakers. All which not only created new industries and new jobs, but also upgraded the quality of life on Earth as well.

Not to mention math and science test scores in this country were the highest in the 1960s which were the apex of space exploration.

If the Apollo program produced all these benefits. Imagine how much we would benefit from a program to establish colonies on the Moon, other planets, as well as free-floating self-contained space colonies.

[Telum]

To begin with, every $1 spent rebuilding America will add $3 to America's GDP. And every $1 billion spent rebuilding America will also create 10,000 new jobs.

Source?