Falconist Party 2.0, The Falconist Party is back Options

[Praetor]

The Falconist Party is back with a new website, a new logo, a new 40-Point platform, a myspace group, and a new national mailing address. We are now accepting applications for membership as well as to establish branches and units of our movement nationwide.

[RightWing]

Sure, insanity is proportional to hilarity.

you got somthing against PNAP

[MindsWideOpen]

you got somthing against PNAP

No, I take you just as seriously as the Falconist Party. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Although kudos to you for putting it into action, how did the whole running for city council go?

[gnuneo]

For me, most of the hilarity comes from the blatant wishful thinking. A lot of these laws are along the lines of "We call for a law that there will be world peace", "We call for a law which outlaws famine" and so on.

there are laws outlawing slavery...

[Praetor]

Is the PNAP still around? Is there a link?

[qzujak49]

05. We call for the largest rebuilding program in American history to be implemented to expedite the movement of goods and services; relieve traffic congestion, provide excellent health care; provide excellent educational services; refine and distribute drinking water from our oceans; to meet Americas growing energy demands; and to put millions of people to work at living wages.

08. We call for the consolidation cities and counties across America to reduce the cost and graft of municipal government as well as handle problems that transcend current municipal boundaries such as urban sprawl.

26. We call for increased legal immigration; however, we also call for the thorough assimilation of those immigrants into American society as well as the fortification of Americas borders to deter illegal immigration as well as drug smuggling, terrorism and human trafficking. all immigrants to learn english and swear to love and respect our flag. There shall not be any hanging of flags other than the American Flag, unless they also hang the American Flag beside it, while abiding the Flag Ettiquite. All illegal immigrants should be deported at their own expense and with no trial, the police should prosecute all those who are here illegally.

33. We call for the rebuilding of all cities, including our nations capital to eliminate slums, reduce crime, create vibrant, prosperous and vibrant communities, and to provide affordable housing.

8. You're calling for a reduction in graft by making government bigger? Also you're against urban sprawl while calling for massive rebuilding in point 5?

26. You call for illegal immigrants to be deported without trial, then in the same sentence say they should be prosecuted? I'm no fan of illegal immigration, but ya need a trial or else it becomes: 'Deport him, he's an illegal alien.' 'Am not.' 'Are too.' 'Prove it.' 'I don't have to. We don't need trials for illegal aliens.'

33. Use of the word vibrant twice to describe the same thing in the same sentence.

[gnuneo]

8. You're calling for a reduction in graft by making government bigger?

it is not the size but how open and accountable govt is that determines the graft level.

Also you're against urban sprawl while calling for massive rebuilding in point 5?

yes, they are actually taking note that with peak oil being reached, then urban sprawl will have to be rebuilt to be more compact and less oil-friendly.

http://www.utopia-politics.com/forums/inde...showtopic=32719


your other 2 points are very apt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[JLord]

07. We call for the consolidation and reorganization of federal agencies and offices across the board to make government more efficient as well as more effective.

10. We call for the replacement of meticulous economic regulation with national broad ranged economic goals and creating a system of incentives for industry to meet national economic goals.

12. We call for policies that would preserve and revitalize family farms as well as small town America.

20. We call for reform of the corrections system to rehabilitate as well as punish offenders; segregate the violent from the nonviolent offenders; and to reduce recidivism.

27. We call for the reform of our health care system to reduce the cost of health care to American society; to provide access to health care for all; to preserve citizens choice of doctor, treatment, and payment for health care; and to promote research and development into medical cures, treatments, and technologies,.

33. We call for the rebuilding of all cities, including our nations capital to eliminate slums, reduce crime, create vibrant, prosperous and vibrant communities, and to provide affordable housing.

So basically you call for a series of hypothetical new laws and programs that will improve every aspect of life in the US. These can be reduced to "We call for the drastic and immediate improvement of every aspect of government."

19. We call for reform of the judicial system and for justice that fair, swift, and if necessary, harsh.

Sounds good. But unless you have some idea for improving the fairness, speed, etc. of the justice system, you are just wishing. People have been making such improvements or trying to for hundreds of years. And I'll do you one better. I call for all knowing robots to automatically weed out all future criminals from society.

11. We call for the democratization of transnational corporations through expanded customer and employee stock-ownership programs.

Again, how would propose to do this? Anyone can buy shares in any company as it is. What would change?

38. We call for the colonization of the oceans to provide new resources for the people of America and the world.

39. We call for the development of a mature space transportation system; the colonization of the Moon, Mars, and other planets; and the establishment of space colonies in low Earth orbit.

Other planets? Like what? And what new resources would be gained by colonizing the oceans?

[El Capitan]

The 40 point platform condensed all our ideas into a simple two-page platform as opposed to a over-detailed 14 page platform and we discarded many ideas in that platform. The 40 points should be short enough for people to read, and detailed enough to see our plan.

In some juridstictions, you have sveral hearings before you get to the actual trial which in itself can take days or weeks. In a felony, you can have a show cause hearing, a preliminary hearing, a grand jury session, and then the trial. Who not do away with the show cause and preliminary hearings? Also, instead of permiting theatrics, how about have attorneys lay out the cold hard facts.

And while people still have the oppurtunity to purchase stock, truth is alot of people aren't able to save the $2000 to open an account to trade on the stock-market. Not to mention every few companies have Employee/Customer Stock Ownership/Purchase plans. We plan to encourage that.

Colonizing the oceans will first provide us with more living space. Not to mention there may be many metals on the ocean floor that have yet to be mined and harvested by man.

In addition to Mars, we can terraform Venus and make it habitable in a couple of centuries. We can also establish underground cities on Mercury as well as on moons such as Europa, Calisto, Ganymede, Io, Titan and Triton. We can also establish mining colonies on asteroids as well as build self-contained space colonies in Low Earth Orbit. Eventually, in a couple of centuries, we may be able to establish extra-solar colonies on other planets that orbit other stars.

[acow]

You don't need to colonize other planets when you've got a sphereship...

[Nalvaros]

Sphereships are boring. What you want is a cube ala borg style.

Oh yeah, El Captain/whoever is representing the party, you've got it all wrong.

You want to colonise the Sun. Lots of space, with unlimited energy right next door. Possibly limitless resources too. Theres nothing not to like about it.

PS: You don't have to make this an official party platform point, but if you get into power make sure you sneak in a law against murdering conversations in cold blood. We are all horrified at Cerian's monstrous deeds in the 'heres a thought' thread.

This post has been edited by Nalvaros: Nov 4 2006, 10:51 AM

[El Capitan]

Even when you have free-floating self contained space colonies, you still need planets as a source of material to build and maintain these colonies.

Colony ships may be built once we work out the problems of interstellar travel.

BTW, we have two websites now. One is at http://falconistparty.net and the other is at http://freewebs.com/FalconistParty. Which one do you think is the better website?

This post has been edited by El Capitan: Nov 4 2006, 07:56 PM

[Mr Beer]

Even when you have free-floating self contained space colonies, you still need planets as a source of material to build and maintain these colonies.

Rubbish. Asteroid belts serve the purpose just as well and don't have those pesky gravity wells.

[El Capitan]

Whoops, here is our freewebs one.

[MindsWideOpen]

Aww, what happened to the old, hand-drawn logo?

[Y2A]

33. We call for the rebuilding of all cities, including our nations capital to eliminate slums, reduce crime, create vibrant, prosperous and vibrant communities, and to provide affordable housing.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Vibrant^2

This post has been edited by The Poster Formerly Known as Y2A: Nov 6 2006, 01:09 AM

[Telum]

Even when you have free-floating self contained space colonies, you still need planets as a source of material to build and maintain these colonies.

Colony ships may be built once we work out the problems of interstellar travel.

BTW, we have two websites now. One is at http://falconistparty.net and the other is at http://freewebs.com/FalconistParty. Which one do you think is the better website?

Only an idiot would promote a political party with a free web site

[Deus Ex Machina]

06. We call for the reservation of welfare for those who are elderly, infirm, and those who need a temporary helping hand. All those who can work shall work in the private sector if possible, in public service if necessary.

Am I the only one thinking "wtf?"

[Ralph Wiggum]

Question about your manifest destiny thing: if a new state which joins the US (*snicker*) wants to leave, will it be allowed to back out? What about some of the original 50 states, can they secede if they desire?

[MindsWideOpen]

Am I the only one thinking "wtf?"

Nothing wtf about, Fascism has a long tradition of corporatism*.



*Fallacy of equivocations, but I couldn't resist.

[gnuneo]

All those who can work shall work in the private sector if possible, in public service if necessary.

depends how voluntary it is - in DK there is no automatic unemployment benefit, you have to work a couple of days a week to recieve them, i thought it was the same in sweden? Granted though, the benefit level is very high, enough to keep people out of the poverty trap.

of course if its IS what it sounds like, then its pretty bad - then again, bearing in mind the goal of democratically owned workplaces, then its actually likely that such a policy would happen anyway - it makes far more sense for each company to employ a couple of 'less abled' people to give a direct income than it does to raise taxes, create govt beaurocracy, and then pay benefits. And the new employees would be able to work out a structure within the company where all are more or less happy with it - because their voice would have to be heard.

its the same with working mothers, given decent creche facilities, and flexible working conditions, then many more could reenter the workplace, and indeed many would do so. (yes, i'm aware the definition of a "working mother" is someone who is already working, don't be picky).


its all kind of predicated upon rational decision-making in companies, and that requires a rational structure, ie democratic.

[JLord]

its all kind of predicated upon rational decision-making in companies, and that requires a rational structure, ie democratic.

Companies are already run in a democratic way. And they do make rational decisions.

[acow]

Companies are already run in a democratic way. And they do make rational decisions.

And i shit fairy floss...

(i suppose they do make rational decisions, but they make their fair share of irrational ones too, like most people, and not saying its the best way, but they are democratic in the sense that you have to pay money to get votes and most small investors have no real connection or say to how the company is run...which i suppose makes it almost a full reflection of actual democracy actually (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )

[JLord]

(i suppose they do make rational decisions, but they make their fair share of irrational ones too, like most people, and not saying its the best way, but they are democratic in the sense that you have to pay money to get votes and most small investors have no real connection or say to how the company is run...which i suppose makes it almost a full reflection of actual democracy actually (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )

Well obviously they are not immune from making bad or irrational decisions. But there is nothing inherent in them that forces irrational decisions.

And yes they are not like a democracy of a free country where everyone votes. It would obviously be insane to every person vote on decisions made by every company in the world. Only those who have a financial stake in the company are able to vote. And those with the biggest stake get the most votes. It couldn't really be any other way or else people would never invest a lot of money in a company. If you own 90% of a company and got overturned by 10 people with a 1% share each, you would not be very happy. Companies would just turn into a way to rob the wealthy of their money. I'm sure gnuneo would like this, but in reality it would result in a drastic fall in investment, which would harm everyone.

[gnuneo]

It would obviously be insane to every person vote on decisions made by every company in the world.

i wasnt aware i could vote in venezuela, canada or the US!

[JLord]

i wasnt aware i could vote in venezuela, canada or the US!

You can't because you have no direct interest in what happens in other countries. Just like you have no direct interest in what business decisions a random company makes unless you are an owner.

"But a companies decision could impact me. Pollution, unfair wages, etc."

Yes that might impact you which is why you have a say in the government of your country, which has complete control over how companies can be run.

[gnuneo]

Just like you have no direct interest in what business decisions a random company makes unless you are an owner.

or an employee.

I can see you quite liked the Gentlemens Club version of parliament, where one had to own Land (ie capital) in order to vote.

after all, if you didnt own land why should you have a say in the way the country is run?

[Telum]

or an employee.

I can see you quite liked the Gentlemens Club version of parliament, where one had to own Land (ie capital) in order to vote.

after all, if you didnt own land why should you have a say in the way the country is run?

Because countries arent made up of land, they are made up of people.

[gnuneo]

whilst companies are made up of money?

http://satirewire.com/news/att.shtml
http://satirewire.com/news/010300/satire-attceases.shtml

[JLord]

or an employee.

I can see you quite liked the Gentlemens Club version of parliament, where one had to own Land (ie capital) in order to vote.

after all, if you didnt own land why should you have a say in the way the country is run?

Employees have no stake in the company. There is no risk to employees. They are compensated for their services and they can leave at any time without penalty. If they want a say in how the company is run, then they can become an owner like anyone else.